The Times on the BNP

I am posting this article in its entirety as a public service to ensure it doesn’t disappear. It will be interesting for you if you go to the actual Times article and also read the comments attached to it. It has a larger number of comments than any other article in today’s Times, and is one of the
“Times recommends” articles for today.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/tim_hames/article3648815.ece

The BNP has increased its average vote per candidate at every election it has stood in since 1982. It will do so again this May. The big story of the upcoming elections in May will be the BNP performance in London. As a provincial town we may slightly resent that, but that’s the country as it is, not as we might like to see it. The media is almost entirely London based, so to the media, that’s where the big story is.

You will read in the article below that wherever the BNP stands candidates it averages 10% - 20%. Here in Wigan we last year averaged a little over 15% across all the candidates we stood. Do vote to increase that. It would be even better if you gave the Labour, Conservative and Liberal-Democrat parties a real shock to the system by electing some or all of our candidates. Contrary to the story put out by the other political parties and by the mainstream media, you will not be placing yourselves in any danger by doing this. Even if all our candidates in May were elected to the council, you would still be electing only seven councillors. That is hardly a controlling bloc. But my goodness me you would be sending out a powerful message of discontent to the major parties; and to the Elliot Browns of Wigan that their game is up, and it’s only a matter of time before they are out on their ear.

Our vote increases election after election not because of anything we do, but because of what is done by the major parties – and they are all essentially the same; you all know that. You will never change them other than by voting for us. We know you want THEM to change; to do that you must vote for US. They are in need of a severe shock. And you may even find that you actually like us.

And you may get a pleasant surprise if you elect us: you just might find that we are not monsters, not the knuckle-dragging Nazis we are made out to be: just ordinary people like you. In the Wigan BNP we have six former Labour Party members and activists (that would be the old Labour Party, of course); Three former Conservative Party members (again, the old Conservative Party); and one former member of the Liberal Democrat Party.
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From The Times
March 31, 2008

Prepare for a shock BNP victory
Forget Ken vs Boris - the real action is on the far Right
Tim Hames

I cannot claim to have been to Redwell in Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, although on paper it would seem a pretty pleasant place, rather more prosperous than average. I have been through Yapton, in Arun, West Sussex, and that is distinctly desirable territory. I think I have cut across Lawford and New Bilton, in Warwickshire, too and while it was not quite the Cotswolds it was hardly a centre of deprivation or tense race relations either.

All of which makes a recent pattern in local council by-elections more unexpected. A by-election was held in Redwell West last Thursday. The Conservatives easily retained the seat but there in second place, eight votes ahead of Labour and with four times the strength of the Liberal Democrats was the British National Party candidate. At Yapton, seven days beforehand, the BNP had come third, a mere seven votes behind the Liberal Democrats, and with almost a fifth of the vote. A fortnight earlier Lawford and New Bilton had witnessed a cracking contest with Labour hanging on by a single vote over the Tories and with the BNP securely third on 15 per cent, well ahead of Nick Clegg's contender.

It is being said that the local elections on May 1 are a rather boring affair with the obvious exception of the battle between Ken Livingstone and Boris Johnson to be the mayor of London. The BNP, however, will be more interested in the Greater London Assembly than whether Red Ken or the Blue Blond wins control of the capital city. For the complex electoral method - the additional member system - used for the assembly means that any political party has a decent chance of winning one of the 25 seats at stake if it can accumulate 6 per cent or so of the vote in the party list section of the ballot paper.

This is far from an impossible target for the BNP. The last local by-election conducted in London was on March 20 at Gooshays in the Borough of Havering. The BNP had narrowly won it in May 2006 in something close to a statistical fluke but now had to defend it after the departure of its councillor. It was assumed that this might be a challenge for the BNP. Far from it. Its share of the vote went up from 28 per cent to 38 per cent. The Liberal Democrats, for the record, managed the singularly strange feat of finishing sixth.

The ward of Gooshays is striking for the lack of immigrants who live there. The ward is 96.4 per cent white, making it one of the least ethnically diverse in London. The place, however, is polarised by age (disproportionately large numbers of very young and very old voters), has comparatively high unemployment and very low levels of educational attainment. It is ideal terrain for the BNP and there are other Gooshays in London. That being so, the stealth success of the BNP could be the real story of the local elections.

This is surprising in many ways. Not least because the BNP has been through a period of fratricidal factionalism. There have been purges, resignations and attempts to establish rival nationalist parties. Some within its ranks have accused the leader, Nick Griffin, of “dictatorial tendencies” (fancy joining a neo-fascist party and then discovering that the führerprinzip reigns there) while others consider him a bit of a pinko for wanting to play down race in an effort to become more respectable.

None of this internal anguish appears to matter much at polling stations. Stick a BNP champion up in a local by-election and he will accomplish 10-20 per cent in swaths of England. On that evidence, the BNP will have its triumph in London.

So why do I expect the BNP to do well? There seem to me to be three factors that might prove important.

The first relates specifically to the forthcoming local elections. The last time that this set of seats were fought was in June 2004 when the tussle in London and councils elsewhere were combined with elections for the European Parliament vote in an attempt to raise the turnout. It did, but it was the UK Independence Party that benefited from these joint elections, not only doing very well in the battle for the European Parliament but in the locals too - it seized two Greater London Assembly seats, for example. The typical UKIP and BNP supporters are by no means identical but there is a degree of overlap between them and the surge for the former did diminish the prospects of the latter. On May 1 there will be no European Parliament poll to help UKIP - which too has suffered from schisms of late - by pushing Europe towards the top of the agenda.

The second factor is that the BNP has improved its organisation. The in-house feuding has not prevented the BNP from honing a much more sophisticated approach to campaigning. The quality of its leaflets has improved, there have been instances of it engaging in telephone canvassing and reports of more “mystery shopping” where its activists blitz an area to market test the public reaction to the party and then determine whether it is worth fielding a candidate.

The final dimension is the most significant. The optimal conditions for the BNP are where there are substantial numbers of disillusioned ex-Labour supporters and a Conservative Party that is wary of concentrating on subjects such as asylum-seekers because it wants to appeal to mainstream metropolitan opinion. It is also a bonus for the BNP if the Liberal Democrats look more centrist and are not indulging in populism to chase the protest vote. These are precisely the political circumstances that will be at play in the local elections of 2008, especially in London.

The main constraint on the BNP in London is how well it can stretch its limited resources. It won 4.8 per cent of the assembly vote in 2004 even with UKIP in the frame. If it can win anything close to double that this time, then regardless of whether it is Mayor Ken or Mayor Boris, it will be the BNP that provides the shock of this election.

Morg

Letter to Mr. Ian McCartney M.P.

My Lanky colleague is currently having connection difficulties with Blogger, and has asked me to post this on his behalf. It is an email he has sent to Ian McCartney MP via the Write to Them website. Apparently, emails written directly to Mr McCartney are being returned unopened.The advantage of using Write to Them as your route for emailing your MP is that Write to Them keeps files - and publishes the data - on which MPs do and don't reply promptly to their electors. MPs are aware of this and so are more likely to respond to you. Here again is the address for Write to Them:

http://www.writetothem.com/

And here is the address for They Work for You, which provides information about your MP:

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/

Here is Lanky Patriots letter to Mr McCartney
Mr Mc Cartney,

Below is the address of the new Wigan BNP weblog. I know you will not agree with much or anything we say but I assure you it represents the views of thousands of Wiganers. I thought it right to let you know about it, although up to now you have declined my invitation to a public debate on issues worrying many people.

I am prepared to put my reputation on the line to further and defend my point of view in a debate. I hope as our democratically elected representative you will accept this invitation to a civilised debate.

The Internet is affording us a vehicle to disseminate our point of view which has until now been controlled by the media barons and the government. Rest assured we shall use it!

This letter and invitation will be published on our Wigan BNP blog.

http://wiganbnp.blogspot.com/

Morg

MY RESPONSE TO Mr ELLIOT BROWN

Possibly a few facts are in order to correct Mr Elliot brown's scurrilous comments about Wiganer's intelligence and sexual habits.
The first steam locomotive in North West England was made in Wigan and ran in the area.
In 1850 pits were 1500 feet deep, the coal being wound by engines made Wiganers at the famous Haigh foundry.
The development of Liverpool depended on coal mined in Wigan often mined by children whose conditions were described by a contemporary as "worse than the very slaves"
A short history of my inbred family may illustrate a few points. My family goes back 400 years but I will speak only of the last 160 years.
My Great Grandfather started work as a blacksmith at a coal pit and later became an engine driver and then a contractor.His brother was killed in a railway accident. In the late 19th century my grandfather installed a water supply to parts of Ashton.
His wife was born the illegitemate daughter of a kitchen servant but through hard work built a business, first as a shopkeeper (she had the first Post Office in the village) and later an hotel. She borrowed money to send her eldest son to university and who became a doctor.
Other members of my family fought in two world wars for freedom against the dictatorship and Fascism which your job seems to embody.
My wife's family is similarly composed of "inbred "Wiganers. Her Great Grandfather was killed in the pit but as he was a so called free man his death was of less consequence to the mine owner as his death did not involve losing an "asset" such as a slave.
My "inbred" step daughter holds down a prestigious job in the telecoms industry, her Wigan work ethic and intelligence being much appreciated in the South of England.
This town has been created by the sweat, death and yes intelligence of our "inbred" ancestors who often received a pittance for their hard work.
You should be able to see therefore Mr Brown the offence your remarks have caused.
While we do not condone discourtesy to anyone, we do resent our town becoming increasingly overcrowded, preference in housing being given to outsiders, our wages reduced and our hard earned taxes paying for seemingly resentful people who we never invited in the first place, and to pay for people such as you whose job is to curtail our free speech and prosecute us.
If we do need new blood( which I dispute) it should not come from countries which have not reached the standards of Wigan in the late 19th century.
Incest! I have never seen any evidence of it.
Imbeciles, yes we have them--in Wigan Metro and the people who employed you and who are giving our country and town away.
People such as you Mr Brown will never understand. To us Wigan is not just a place, a dot on the map.
It is a FEELING deep rooted in the continuity with our past and a unity with our fellow Wiganers upon whose ancestor's backs this town's prosperity was built.

IT IS OUR HERITAGE

AND WE WILL NOT LIGHTLY GIVE IT AWAY

FEAR STALKS DEMOCRATS

Got the remaining signatures for our local election nomination forms. People very enthusiastic but some fearful of signing in case they lose their jobs as they work for the State .
This indicates the undemocratic state of this country. On the one hand we have "Operation Black Vote" to encourage ethnic minorities to excercise the democratic rights given to them by the state (even if they are in jail) while on the other hand those who only want to protect their way of life and culture are intimidated into keping silent.
The vote however is secret (we hope) and people will be able to vent their spleen on thisFASCIST council and state.
UNTIL WE PREVAIL AND RESTORE TRUE DEMOCRACY IN ENGLAND

FASCISM WILL PERSIST.

MAKE SURE YOU USE YOUR VOTE--FOR FREEDOM

VOTE BNP

Open Letter to Elliot Brown: Wigan Hate Crime Co-ordinator

My colleague over at Leigh has already posted on this matter, but I’ve been thinking about it and getting angrier and angrier by the minute. I cannot just let this go, and I’m afraid I’m going to have to rip into this poor excuse for a man in order to vent my anger; and no doubt the anger of many other people living in Wigan.

Here we go, but before you continue, consider that if you commit a crime, and this man and/or his department judges it to be a "Hate Crime", then whatever your sentence would normally have been for that crime ... it will now be massively increased. This moron has real POWER over the people of Wigan Are you happy about that?

Bear in mind, that this man was foolish enough to display his ignorance, lack of education, and prejudice against Wigan people in the on-line version of the Wigan Observer.

elliot,wigan 07/01/2008 18:20:53My name is Elliot Brown and I am proud to be the Hate Crime Co-ordinator for Wigan & Leigh at the Wigan & Leigh Community Safety Partnership.

Wigan and Leigh Community Safety Partnership. Would that be the “Community Safety” of ten-year-old children who fall into water, and then drown while substitute (read ‘cheap’) police officers stand by and don’t get wet? I can’t imagine a real police officer standing by and staying dry in such circumstances. Can you? Much like I can't imagine you, Elliot Brown, getting wet in said circumstances. I think the Community would be far safer if the money spent on you and your kind was spent instead on a few more real police officers. I’m sure you or a friend could use Common Purpose contacts to easily enough find yourself another sinecure.

If someone feels that they have been targetted because of their race or ethnicity, sexuality, faith or belief, gender, age or disability - Then you can take action against the offenders.

Race or ethnicity. Does that mean ... like ... native British Wiganers? ‘Targetted’. Are you sure that shouldn’t read ‘targeted’? And isn't that exactly what you did to native British Wiganers (see later)? Sexuality. Hmm ... I'm a single man these days. That means I , um, take care of certain matters for myself. Does that mean that if someone calls me a wanker I can get them done for Hate Crime because they are targeting my sexuality? Is truth a defence? Or would they have to be more specific and call me a Welsh wanker - then we can do them on two counts: sexuality and ethnicity. I'm confused Elliot Brown; I'm going to have to email you for one of your booklets. ‘Faith or belief’. Perhaps you might care to define the difference? ‘Gender’. Mr Elliot Brown, I’m not at all sure you understand what the word/concept 'gender' means. Gender is a description of ones place on the masculinity/femininity scale. For example, there are feminine men and masculine women. Gender is a description of a psychological characteristic. Perhaps you meant ‘sex’? On reflection, maybe you meant both, and forgot. Or didn't know the difference in the first place (most likely). Who can take action against offenders? Me? So if some people target me because of, for example, my political belief, then I can take action against them? What kind of action exactly? Please, be specific … I wouldn’t want to take action on my own behalf then find myself on an assault charge – from a real police officer, that is - one I can respect. Or do you mean I can go toddling off, and tell tales to nanny Elliot Brown or one of his minions? Would you really defend a BNP man for his beliefs? Somehow, I think not. Oh - and it's " ...alleged offenders."


Before this can happen - The incident must be reported.

Ah! There it is: I must run to nanny telling tales. Sir, people like you are trying your best to turn the British into a nation of helpless woosies. Perhaps I could just pick up a phone and dial one of the myriad snitch-lines instead? East Germany anyone?

Wigan Council in partnership with the Police, Victim Support, Schools, Adult Services, Fire Services (to name but a few of the many partners) - Have worked to develop better and more ways and means of reporting Hate Incidents. You can report incidents to every Area Housing Office; At the Civic Centre, In every Library and Leisure Centre throughout Wigan and Leigh.

The Council is for emptying the bins and a few other basic services; I call the police when someone burgles my house (well, maybe not - it's not as if they'd get my stuff back); only people who give in and go running to nanny are victims; I use schools to educate my kids, not whinge about people; Adult Services sounds … er … interesting: please, tell us more. Good lookers are they? I call the Fire Service if I have a fire that I can’t extinguish using my extinguisher and the training I received as a line/hangar technician in the Air Force. I have extinguished monofuel fires before now – on my own. Some of us just don’t go running until we have to - we are ever so slightly more self-sufficient in an emergency than you might prefer. Area Housing Offices are for housing problems; the Civic Centre is for … well, what, exactly? I’m not sure many of us have ever managed to quite work that one out. The library’s for books and the Leisure Centre is for a warm swim - as opposed to a cold one with a couple of substitute (read cheap) police officers to watch over you. I suppose all the staff of all these organisations have been forced to undergo ‘Diversity Training’ – at great expense to taxpayers? But I suppose you're only drumming up business. We've never needed you before, so why would we need you now? Oh yes ... silly me: eleven years of dismantled border controls, and a need to suppress the native British population.

All victims are treated the same and no preference is EVER given to someone simply because they are non white. In other words, White British Victims of hate crime are given the same level of care and support as anyone else.

I’m sure it must be so if someone really caring like you says so. I’m sure that somewhere deep in my soul I must believe you. I’m equally sure that millions don’t. And you've lost a hyphen; also, no need for upper case at the start of white or victim.

To suggest that you get better treatment if you are not from this country or town is very naive and plays a small part in fuelling the anger some people feel about non white Wigan/Leigh folk.

BINGO!!! Progress at last. But are you sure you understand the meaning of the word ‘naïve’? I think I might be in a majority if I thought that ‘naïve’ means believing a word you and your kind says. And you've lost the same hyphen twice now. You really are careless. Could we go so far as to say ... reckless? Do we have grounds to sic the H.S.E. onto you?


You do not have to be a victim to report any Hate Incidents - you may have witnessed an incident and want to report it.

Well please, just so we don’t go wasting your time with endless calls, define ‘Hate Incidents’ from a witness's perspective. I mean, I don’t think I’m entirely stupid, and I do remember to breathe out again every time I breathe in, and in again every time I breathe out (so far so good) but what on Earth is a ‘Hate Incident’ (actually, later in this post I’m going to give you something that you are almost certain to categorise as a Hate Incident … and there wont be a damned thing you’ll be able to do about it)? I don’t have to be a ‘victim’ eh? I don't have to be a snitch either. I'm never a victim, because I don't give up and go running to snitch to nanny. Aren’t you just leaving yourself wide open for malicious calls? What if I see a toddler smacking another toddler in the mouth and stealing his lollipop, and the – by now crying – other toddler screams out “I hate you!”, and smacks him a good one back with a stick? Do I get on the phone to you toute de suite? Do I have to have witnessed it, or will remembering it do? What about all the times when I was a boy and told my mam and dad that I hated them - usually after a severe hammering? Is that a Hate Crime? Am I serial offender? Why did my hammerings always come in pairs?

The more incidents that are reported means that we stand a better chance of finding out whare the tension is and be able to tackle it in the best way that we can.

Well, actually, you really mean the more chance you wont look like a waste of oxygen and perhaps get to keep your undoubtedly very highly-salaried sinecure (though given recent events … more later). How do you spell 'where'? And I can tell you for nothing: the tension is wherever you dump the foreign influx. You have loads of them dumped living where you live, I imagine?

Wigan & Leigh is as safe as we all make it. Anyone wishing to get more information or free facts booklet then please contact me on - elliot.brown@wiganmbc.gov.uk and I will mail it out to you

That’s either “a free facts booklet” or “free facts booklets. I will be emailing you – or at least your office: you may have lost your sinecure by then. I wonder what the proportions are between native Wiganers emailing for these booklets, and foreigners emailing for them (note well that to me a foreigner is someone who is not a native born and bred – going back hundreds of years – English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish person. Personally I’m of the Welsh variety)? I think I just might make a Freedom of Information enquiry about that. Probably wasting my time: some people foolishly think Musharraf and Mugabe are indistinguishable from British names, for example. This is all about making us equally blind. Bugger - I just split an infinitive.

Before we go any further, let’s establish my racism-level credentials shall we? I was married for nearly a quarter-century to a foreigner (gasp! - a BNP-er married to a foreigner); a South Asian woman (double-gasp!! - a brown one) I met when she was serving in our armed forces at the same time I was. My one and only child is mixed race – mind you, I must have good Welsh genes: mother brown eyes, me blue, daughter blue; mother nearly black hair, me fair hair (before it went grey), daughter fair hair; mother dark skin (very very), me white skin, daughter white skin – with rosy cheeks. Go figure: it seems to break all the rules. Mr Elliot Brown and colleagues: how many mixed race children do you have?

Right, let’s really go to town on this moron.

This idiot was foolish enough to post the following too in the on-line version of the Wigan Observer. Now this one requires stupidity at genius levels, or arrogance beyond all rational comprehension. An arrogance that screams out “I’m a good and righteous person, nobody can touch me, I can say what I want as long as it’s only about white people. I’m one of the bosses.”

Query: Is there such a thing as genius-level stupidity? Anyone got an answer?

elliot,17/01/2008 12:28:33 Imbeciles was the old name for those children that are borne from incestuous relationships. It is a little known fact that a certain area within the borough of wigan and leigh had the highest rate of imbeciles in the UK. Its true to say that at one point in the history of the borough....some fathers thought on it as their priveledge to de-flower their daughters. Infact in some areas, it was the expectation.Thank goodness for new blood coming into the Borough. The aggression from some people on the issue of 'new blood coming into the area' is, the view of many,...that this is infact remnants of 'the good old days',..as it were.

Elliot, I really can’t believe I read that. Are you sure some BNP supporter didn’t steal your password, or otherwise hack into your Wigan Observer account, and then posted this to make you look like a moron (or should that be an imbecile)? Please, at least give us a lame excuse. Something … anything! Good Lord … you really did write that didn’t you. How much are you paid by the Council Tax payers of Wigan? Do we really employ someone this stupid? Do we really employ other people on the council who are stupid enough to give you a job? I think we should investigate not only you but also the personnel department. We’ll be looking for Common Purpose connections because I really can’t see any other way the council could employ someone this stupid. I mean, it may be a Labour controlled council, but no matter how bent Labour may or may not be, I really don't think they're stupid ... well, not this stupid anyway. Which way around do you put your trousers on in the morning?

Imbeciles was the old name for those children that are borne from incestuous relationships.

Surely you mean ‘born’? Just wondered is all, in case my mammy told me wrong about how little babies come into the world. And I think it fair to tell you that imbeciles is also a modern word … for people stupid enough to write that sort of stuff.

It is a little known fact that a certain area within the borough of wigan and leigh had the highest rate of imbeciles in the UK.

Very little known indeed. Please, educate us. You will, of course, be laying yourself wide open to a lawsuit if you do, but you may well have done that anyway with just that much. Instead of grossly offending the people of one ward in the borough, you’ve grossly offended the entire borough, because if you don’t tell us which ward, then the people of every ward will be pointing fingers at each other and wondering. And as for outsiders pointing fingers, it wont be 'Pie Eaters' they'll be calling us. Lord alone knows what visiting football fans will be chanting at the JJB? And while we’re digging at you Elliot, real names start with a CAPITAL letter. That means upper case, or, when you’re using a keyboard, you press the Shift key and the letter at the same time. It’s Wigan and Leigh, not wigan and leigh. Anyone, please help me: did this bloke have to do any tests before Wigan council gave him a high-paid job? Can I have one? Pretty please? I don't have any Common Purpose connections though so I suppose not.

Its true to say that at one point in the history of the borough....some fathers thought on it as their priveledge to de-flower their daughters.

Is it true? I hope you have hard evidence for that mate because you’ve just offended an awful lot of really big blokes who have family in Wigan going back generations. You are in deep doo doo pal. And here’s how you spell ‘privelege’. There … oh dear, you must have passed it without it registering. It’s not ‘priveledge. I’m sure you must be able to spell ‘fridge’; how about ‘refrigerator’? Notice the difference? Perhaps I’m wrong: maybe it’s ‘frige’ and refridgerator? Just trying to help you out here mate. Don’t take it to heart. Second thoughts … yes, please do. Also, there’s no need for the hyphen – you know, those dash thingies – in deflower. I suppose a bloke could de-flower his garden, which would mean he one way or another removed all the flowers from his garden. But I don’t think you were talking about fathers removing all the flowers from their daughters eh? So you don’t know when to use upper case, you don’t know how to do basic spelling, and you don’t know how and when to use hyphens (those dash thingies). Who gave you that job? I wont even go into the grammar you used around the word ‘thought’. You do understand, don’t you Elliot Brown, that English as she is spoked is not the same as English as she is writted (no, not typos)? Tell us again: who employed you on your undoubtedly high salary? A far higher salary than most of the people paying the Council Tax that keeps you in the manner to which you think you are entitled.

Infact in some areas, it was the expectation.

Ooh-woo it just gets better and better. It started off as just the one area, but we're already into plural areas; indeed: looking again at the previous sentence-as-written ( you'll see) to this one: the entire borough. Please do tell us which areas so we can keep a close eye on all these imbeciles we are now apparently surrounded by – they having been produced in multiple areas. It’s just for their own safety, I’m sure you understand. We wouldn't want them to forget to breathe out again. Now your grammar is deteriorating some more, so I’m really going to have to take you to task on this one. Are you with me Elliot Brown? First though, let’s accept shall we that ‘infact’ is not a real word. Come on, you made it up just for the imbeciles of Wigan didn’t you? Thought they wouldn’t know the difference between a real and a made-up word, and you could slip it right past the imbeciles. Ah! Right, ok, got it: it’s two words and you just forgot to put a gap between them. Trying to baffle the imbeciles again? Ok, sorry about that: it was really what’s known as a ‘typo’ wasn’t it. Fair enough, we all make typos – but some of us have an excuse: we are just knuckle-dragging BNP thugs who don’t know any better. You don’t have that excuse: you are a highly paid, highly educated (presumably) executive with the council. You shouldn’t really be making careless errors like that. Was your secretary on a day off? Or is it it that she wouldn’t be so stupid as to write this sort of stuff? She, at least, is obviously not an imbecile. Oh dear ... where in Wigan did she grow up? Was it one of those special areas? Can you ever trust her not to drop you in it after what you said - maybe about her without you knowing? What’s her salary by the way? And what’s yours? I digress: grammar (well, it’s punctuation too, which is sort of part of grammar – but I’ll correct the typo for you gratis). “In fact in some areas, it was the expectation.” Well, at least you remembered the fullstop at the end. Other than that it is entirely ungrammatical. First of all, that collection of words cannot be a free-standing sentence. We have to take the previous sentence, so to speak, and add this to that, with a colon or semi-colon (no Elliot Brown, nothing to do with your intestines) separating the two. Like this: “Its true to say that at one point in the history of the borough....some fathers thought on it as their priveledge to deflower their daughter; in fact in some areas, it was the expectation.” Now let’s move that comma, shall we? It should read: “ … in fact, in some areas it was the expectation.” And … oh my goodness me I’ve only just noticed. You have made my day. Don't you just hate it when the apostrophe is wrong, just hate it. You don't? You have used the possessive ‘Its’, when in fact you should have used the apostrophed ‘It is’ That’s very naughty indeed. Tell us again: who was your English teacher( note use of possessive ‘your’ and not apostrophed ‘you are’ or you’re. Have we got our neural-net processor switched to Write, or are we still on Read Only? So, we end up with this, instead of that steaming pile of horse manure you produced: “It’s true to say that at one point in the history of the borough....some fathers thought on it as their privelege to deflower their daughter; in fact, in some areas it was the expectation.” I’m not even sure that is entirely correct: it’s possible ‘daughter’ should be plural, given that you used ‘fathers’ in the plural. Unless, of course, a daughter can have multiple fathers? But then, I'm only a knuckle-dragger, so I can't be expected to know much.

Thank goodness for new blood coming into the Borough.

We really haven’t quite got the hang of upper case/lower case yet have we young Elliot. You use lower case for the ‘b’ in borough, unless the word ‘borough is part of a name, as in Wigan Borough Council. However, when you’re (note apostrophe) using the word borough in it’s generic (no, not pills from the chemist) meaning, lower case will do. I’m new blood that came into the borough: I’m a native born and bred Welshman. Something tells me this isn’t exactly what you had in mind though.

I just can’t be bothered with the rest of this big steaming pile of horse manure.

Now, let’s be blunt here: what Elliot Brown is talking about is the native British fathers in Wigan having sex with their daughters. Correct?

Right then Elliot Brown: have you ever heard of “Google Trends”? No? I’ll assume ‘no’ seeing as how you don’t even seem to know where and when to use the Shift key. Or not use it.

Right then: every time anyone ever makes a search with Google, then Google (the company) files the search terms used, and uses them for later statistical analysis. Sorry mate: it’s too late to go back and delete them all. It’s ok, you don’t have to worry – they don’t personalise the search terms filed any more closely than the IP number your computer’s using, and that only so they can track it back as far as the country and town … but if they wanted to … well, they could track any search you’ve ever made right back to you. I don’t suppose you’ve anything to worry about though: after all, your self-righteous goodness shines out so intensely that I can feel its warm self-righteous glow from right here in my own house. I’m sure you can’t have searched for anything you shouldn’t, such as fathers having sex with their daughters. No, it couldn’t be. Anyway, Google collates all of these search terms and uses them to analyse where certain combinations of search terms originate from in the largest numbers. An example might be the search terms people use and have used when they are looking for pornographic web sites so they can masturbate to their own particular ‘thing’. Don’t be embarrassed Elliot Brown, we all have our own particular 'thing' or 'things'. And I'm sure there are plenty of other people with the same 'thing' or 'things' as you. But did you know that whole nations do too, on average? Some nations use certain search terms more often than others. Google keeps track of all this and refers to it as “Google Trends”.

For example, let’s see what the trend is for the search terms “sex father daughter”. That should drop the native British Wiganers right in it. Right? The world according to Elliot? And what do we find? Well here it is: go take a look and tell us what you make of it.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=sex+father+daughter

Well bugger me sideways with a Christmas Tree. Who would ever have guessed that? There are more searches for web sites concerned with sex between fathers and their daughters coming from Pakistan than for all the other nine of the top ten in combination. Native Wigan men don’t even come close. Indeed, native British men don’t even come close. And let’s think about this a little more deeply: how many internet-connected computers in Pakistan compared to almost any Western country? So what proportions are we talking about? Is the Social Services Department aware of what Pakistanis get their rocks off over? Don’t you think they should be Mr. Elliot Brown?

Let’s look up some other search trends shall we? Well, rhetorical question: of course we’re going to look at some other search terms. Here’s a list of them. Click on them all and see what comes up.

“sex father son”

http://www.google.com/trends?q=sex+father+son

Oh dear, there they are again.

Let’s try “sex brother sister”

http://www.google.com/trends?q=sex+brother+sister

And again …

Ok, lets go for “sex man boy”

http://www.google.com/trends?q=sex+man+boy

They’re certainly persistent aren’t they. Really must like coming first.

Ok, let’s get really way out. Surely there can’t be much of anything for this one:

“sex man animal”

http://www.google.com/trends?q=sex+man+animal

Ah, at last: someone’s managed to kick Pakistan down into second place. Oh dear: it’s Bangladesh.

I wont bother with any more. But let’s cast our mind back to the trend for “sex father daughter”. Looking at that, is anyone really surprised that the man recently jailed for raping a young woman, punched her in the face while he did it until she called him “Daddy”, then claimed (falsely) in alibi that he had been in the mosque at the time? Here’s the story (it’s in other papers too – I just happen to have this link to hand. Do your own search using his name)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article930678.ece

Now then Mr Elliot Brown: in your considered opinion as “Hate Crime Co-ordinator”, does what I’ve just done constitute a “Hate Crime”? Really? So you can accuse native British men of the vilest of offences, in writing and in the press, and it’s not a “Hate Crime”; but when we defend ourselves and point out that the most likely perpetrators of this kind of vile offence are not, indeed British men, but possibly Pakistani men on the masturbation evidence available, it is? And we're not talking about just daughters are we! Ok, send your heavies around to get me. I'm on the electoral roll, and the name I use here is my real one (it says so in my passport, as one of the journalists on the Wigan Observer, and half the population of Wigan who've seen the photo in the paper, can confirm).

“Hate Crime Co-ordinator”. That’s an interesting job title, isn’t it? What does it mean, exactly? The way I read it is: supposing, entirely hypothetically of course, that I hated Muslims and wanted to set fire to the nearest mosque, would I phone you up and it’s your job to co-ordinate my efforts with those of other people who are of like mind? So we could do a proper job of it.

Just wondered like, y'know.

Mr Elliot Brown, you are finished in this town, and maybe your entire department with you because every time your department has any input at all into a “Hate Crime”, and the alleged (not alledged, note) perpetrator is a native Wiganer, lawyers for the accused will be able to bring decisive evidence to bear claiming that the "Hate" aspect of the case only arises because you are profoundly prejudiced against the people of Wigan. It’s all there, in writing, in the on-line version of the newspaper. It wont do any good to try persuading the newspaper to remove it because there’s always Google Cache (another service from Google, in addition to Google Trends, Images, Alerts and Earth )– and how many screen grabs do you suppose have been taken? Do you even know what I'm talking about? Ordinary people likely to become your future targets do not pass up easy opportunities like those you have made available. We’re not as stupid or as ignorant as you appear to suppose. And we don't have grazed knuckles either. Arrogance does that to you.

Perhaps you will be forgiven if you show contrition to the extent that you go to the town centre on a Saturday afternoon, prostrate yourself Chinese full-kowtow style, and shout out your sincere apologies to the pavement. I suppose some might forgive your hate for native Wiganers. I wont, and I’m not even native to Wigan.

I’ve got no doubt that I too have made an error or three in my grammar, spelling, punctuation – but then I’m only a BNP knuckle-dragger, so what can you expect? There’s also the amount of writing I’ve done compared to the tiny amount Elliot Brown wrote. I left school at 15 back in the days when there was no such thing as G.C.S.E.s. In those days it was G.C.E.s or C.S.E.s (they were the ones an untrained knuckle-dragger could pass. Our education system and qualifications were being devalued long before Mr Blair got his hands on them – he just accelerated the process, that’s all). No, I didn’t even get a C.S.E in English. Maybe that’s why I’m not a big, powerful, highly-paid pig-ignorant executive on Wigan Borough Council; but I still know more about the use of the English language than you Elliot Brown. Perhaps that’s why I have FOUR times failed to get a position as an Administrative Assistant (about as low as it gets) in various Jobcentres up and down the country.

Elliot Brown: shove off. But first you should face Hate Crime charges for what you’ve said, as publicly as it’s possible to get, against the native people of Wigan.

Anyone going to make the formal complaint? Or are we going to save it for when he tries to bring Hate Crime charges against me for my above expose (sorry, I don’t know how to do the little mark over the e) on the masturbatory proclivities of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis?

Morg

House of Lords Weblog

The House of Lords is running a trial blog for engagement with the public. Here is the link:

http://lordsoftheblog.wordpress.com/

Please, whether you support us or any other party, read this blog regularly and make comments for any posts that you have an interest in. Let them know your opinion … that being the declared purpose of the blog. We all complain that “They” don’t listen to us; but then, do we ever try giving them something worth listening to?

Usual rules apply when engaging with our politicians: be polite. You don’t have to be profane to offer devastating criticism.

I posted a comment on this particular blog entry

http://lordsoftheblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/debates/

… and here is what I said:

“ Henry Morgan March 27, 2008 at 5:27 pm

Sir

That you are willing to engage with the public over the internet is very much to your credit. And I for one thank you for it.

Earlier in the blog you responded to Britney that you had received very little mail about a referendum on the Lisbon treaty. It could be that the vast majority of the population see no point in engaging with the political process like that as it so very rarely produces results.

The population of every country across the European Union has been polled on this issue. It has been found that 73% of the British people wanted a referendum; 64% of Germans wanted a referendum; In excess of 80% of Dutch people. All told, across the whole of the European Union - every country - 75% wanted a referendum on this issue.

However politicians across the E.U. have, in their wisdom, decided that they know better. This may explain your lack of correspondence (In addition, social practices are changing: more and more people are using this medium for communication. This trial blog - “Beta” as it would be known to internet-savvy people - is not well known. I only know about it because Britney told me. I will do what I can to spread knowledge).

The only people getting a referendum are the Irish, and that only because Aherne couldn’t prevent it. We were promised a referendum in the 2005 Labour Party manifesto, only to be recently told that ” … manifesto pledges are not subject to legitimate expectation.” Reneging on manifesto pledges is becoming a habit with the Labour party: the 1997 manifesto promised a referendum on electoral reform. We never got that either.

Mr Brown tells us that the Lisbon Treaty is not the Constitutional Treaty therefore the manifesto pledge doesn’t apply. He lies (so sue me, Mr Brown). The author of the Constitutional Treaty, Valerie Giscard-DeStaing, claims it is 98% the same, and that everything that could be done with the Constitution can still be done with the Lisbon Treaty - you just have to rummage around a bit to find the clauses you need. The only difference being that fluff like an anthem and flag are left out. Referendum-deniers tell us it must be different as it is 62 pages shorter. Yet, strangely enough, it is more than 6000 words longer. The difference? The printers were instructed to alter the font: the spaces between the lines are smaller (yes, there are actually people on the internet who have counted the words and measured the spaces; which is why it’s not wise to engage in such fraud in the modern day). Would honest people need to resort to such subterfuge?

This film is well worth watching. It is long (1hr 22mins) and dreary, but you being an active participant in what is called the democratic process should be accustomed to dealing with things that are long and dreary. I recommend you take the trouble to watch it and think about what’s said. Just click the start arrow.

http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=173

The politicians of Europe are heading directly for some serious civil strife in the coming few years. I would suggest that the way the military has been treated these past few years, you wont be able to depend on which side of that strife the enlisted men will be on. I don’t want that … but it’s coming. “

Morg

THEY'RE AT IT AGAIN

WIGAN SCRAPS ST GEORGES PARADE

Once again we see the gradual erosion of our nationality and the downgrading of our national institutions. Wigan Metro has refused to pay for policing of our annual St Georges Parade, citing a cost of £1,300 for policing. Last year walking days were cancelled for the same reason.

We pay our council tax for the amenities and traditions we want,and the Metro and police should recognise this.

In a democracy the will of the people should prevail.

WE WANT OUR WALKING DAYS AND St GEORGES PARADES TO CONTINUE.

Funds are of course available to pay for the Wigan Race crime coordinator who says Wiganers are" incestuous imbeciles ",and for a multi culti workshop at Robin Park, not to mention a summer festival in Mesnes Park "celebrating" multiculturalism. WE ARE BECOMING SECOND CLASS CITIZENS in our own town. Who voted for this?

It's not all bad however as more and more people are beginning to realise that this council is against native Wiganers and turning to the BNP.

Keep it up Wigan Metro and see our vote go up.

VOTERS, SHOW YOUR DISAPROVAL AND KICK THEM WHERE IT HURTS---

IN THE BALLOT BOX!

MORE FROM LAST THURSDAY'S MEETING.

DEBATE ON PROPOSED CHINESE INVESTMENT.

We had a heated debate on the proposed Chinese investment at Westwood,but it was agreed that we did not know enough about who would be employed there and whether it would mean a large PERMANENT influx of Chinese people to our overcrowded town.
If the Chinese firms are intent on investing in Britain it would be better for manufacturing jobs to be created in Wigan rather than in another part of Britain, provided the workers are Wiganers and are not sourced from abroad at minimum rates of pay. Concern was also expressed over the human rights atrocities perpetrated by the Chinese in Tibet. As nationalists of course we sympathise with their plight, being overwhelmed by incomers and their way of life and culture destroyed, in the same way that our culture is under threat by mass immigration. However with appopriate safeguards and so long as any Chinese were not given citizenship it could be a good thing for the area. But we need to know more detail .
WE ARE AGAINST A BUDDIST PAGODA being built. This would have a detrimental affect on the town, making it a Buddist centre and thus diluting our Christian culture.
A council which destroys our Roman heritage (which could have been a real tourist attraction) and suggests a Buddist pagoda must have taken leave of its senses and certainly does not reflect the opinions and desires of Wiganers.

Thursday's Meeting

We had a well attended and enjoyable meeting last Thursday and the increased interest and support we are getting, especially from younger people.
There was no formal speaker, instead we debated our progress and plans for the future and discussed where we were proposing to stand in the forthcoming local elections, and other topics concerning local people.
One point was made about the oppression of the Tibetian people by the Chinese who took over their country and are flooding it with immigrants to consolidate their hold on the country.
Comparisons were made to what is happening in this country where we are accomodating increasing numbers of foreign immigrants who are becoming increasively assertive aided by "race" laws which prevent us complaining. Soon we will be in a minority in our own country and we have nowhere to go. In effect we are experiencing a genocide by stealth aided and abetted by those in power who for various reasons will benefit from this invasion. The only people who appear to be resisting this are the BNP who fight on on spite of the obsticles placed in their path, from unjust villification to media blackout.
However whatever they throw at us we will remain a thorn in the side of those traitors who seek to destroy our country and way of life.
The major political parties refuse to debate with us or share platforms with us even though previously they have engaged with Sinn Fein and various Muslim organisations intent on persuing their agenda with violence.
We are not against any people or races, all we want is this small island for ourselves, just as the Tibetanese want their land for themselves.That is why we have sympathy for other oppressed people such as those of Tibet. They, like us are Nationalists.
Why will the authorities not engage with us? I feel it is because they feel threatened by the logic of our arguments and know they would lose a debate.
The crux of the matter is that we love our country and its people and they hold it and them in contempt. That is why, when people realise the truth we will prevail.
The media (BBC and newspapers) no longer control all information. More and more the internet will become the source of information but this time it will be the truth.
WATCH THIS SPACE!

Wigan BNP meeting, March 2008

At the March meeting, I informed the group that all Commonwealth citizens are entitled to vote in all British elections, including general elections, as soon as they arrive here, without actually being British citizens.

Chris Hill told me - and everyone - that I was wrong and that they can only vote in local elections. Actually, I was correct: they can vote in all elections including general elections.

As there are now nearly one million Commonwealth - but not British - citizens in the UK and entitled to vote in general elections, they could make a difference in close elections. That's in addition to all those who have acquired citizenship.

Now we know why this Labour government is so keen to encourage immigrants to enter by the millions; they are hardly likely to vote against the party that opened the door to them. So we British people seem to be in a race between now and the next general election: can Labour let Commonwealth citizens in faster than they are losing British votes? Bear in mind that when we talk of the immigration of - voting enabled - Commonwealth citizens we are not talking about former Zimbabwean farmers, Canadians or Australians; it's overwhelmingly Islamic Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.

So if you want this government gone, get to your polling stations and VOTE!

At the meeting I also talked of the lack of checks on people putting themselves - or as we have learned from the recent trial of councillor Khan (now there is a good Pakistani Muslim name) from Slough, non-existent people - on the electoral roll; and of how in conjunction with the new rules on postal voting, that can be used fraudulently to gain multiple votes. The theoretical example I gave had one man gaining himself nine votes. Councillor Khan showed that it can be used for one man to gain hundreds of votes.

Everything I said at the meeting, and have reiterated here is confirmed in the House of Commons Select Committee on Constitutional Affairs. Read it all here:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmodpm/243/243we22.htm

It wont take long to read.

Write to your M.P. Express your unease at this entire situation. Politely request that legislation be rapidly enacted restricting the vote in general elections to British citizens only; that the rules on postal voting revert to the old rules whereby only those people physically unable to get to the polling station can have a postal vote; that proof of citizenship be required for registration on the electoral roll (not difficult; a birth certificate or certificate of naturalisation will do).

That will do just for starters. I have more to say on electoral issues at a later date.

Neil Turner M.P. can be contacted via this website:

http://www.writetothem.com/

Don't forget: be firm but POLITE. YOU are the master, he's the servant. But you shouldn't be abusive to your servants, as any good old-fashioned English gentleman will tell you. But don't let him fob you off either.

If you are interested in the doings of Mr Turner, try here:

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/neil_turner/wigan

You might find it interesting what he's voted for and against, how much money he takes out of the system (that's YOUR money, remember), how often he has never voted against Blair or Brown, etc. A very interesting website.

I will have more to say about Mr. Turner too at a later date.

Morg

Profile

I write under the name of "Lanky Patriot"
I am a Wiganer and support Wigan and its people before anything else. I believe Wigan and Wiganers have contributed much to the prosperity of this country in the past 200 years and we are now being sidelined by politically correct career politicians who put their own interests before those of our town and its people.
Until local government reorganisation I was a local Labour councillor but I no longer feel the Labour Party represents the interests of the British people.
I joined the BNP in spite of the venom directed against it by the media because, knowing people who were members I knew the picture painted of them was not true. Even so I attended my first meeting with trepidation as a result of the bad press. I found, far from being extremist thugs the members were ordinary hard working people, worried at the way the country was going and dismayed at the rapid changes which were taking place without us having been consulted as to whether we wanted this change.
I believe in our town and its people and do not want us to lose our sense of solidarity and community and will continue to work to reverse the decline of Wigan and to preserve the heritage bequeathed to us by the hard work of our forebears.

An introductory test post

I think it’s about time the people of Wigan were introduced to Pat Condell.

Pat Condell has made clear on one of his earlier videos that he does not like the BNP even one little bit. I think that is perfectly fair enough – I don’t like the Labour Party even one little bit.

I’m not a native Wiganer. I’m a Welshman who came to live here nearly four years ago. I like it here so I’m staying. If you want to argue about that you’re wasting your time. You have to question my luck though: I live within easy walking distance of the stadium; close enough, indeed, that I can hear when a goal is scored. At that stadium I could watch world-class football and/or Rugby League. With my being a Welshman, would you like to guess my game? That’s right: Rugby Union. Ah well, can’t win them all (though Wales seems to be doing just that, recently).

I used to like the Labour Party a lot. Enough, indeed, that for many years I was a member; and not just a member: I used to run around delivering leaflets, carrying out polling station duties etc. That, of course, was back in the days when the Labour Party was the Labour Party. Lord alone knows what it is these days because I certainly don’t. All I know is what it’s not: it’s not the Labour Party I used to know and love in the days when it represented ordinary British people, kept to its manifesto pledges and didn’t go around the world launching illegal wars on people who hadn’t actually done anything to us, and killing them by the million. Why do the people of Wigan keep voting for an impersonation of the real Labour Party that they have historically voted for? I will return to these and other topics on later posts.

No, I’m not against our young men and women in uniform. After all, I was one once. I enlisted at the age of 15, back in the days when such a thing was possible. You don’t get to be a much younger man or woman in uniform than that. I left school on a Monday. Tuesday night I was sleeping in barracks. However, their political masters, who they are obliged to obey …

Those who know me know I’m not angelic, and those who get to know me better know I can be a bit of a character. However, those things are acceptable; after all, I do not seek higher office in the BNP, and nor do I seek elected office anywhere at all. I will never hold any sort of power over anyone and I don’t want to, though I do hope to exercise a little influence one day. And anyone who has contact with me knows that I am invariably polite, and rather shy and retiring. Unless threatened.

That is just a short introduction. Any questions, please do email me. This can be done via my ‘Contributor’ button. Same for BNP membership enquiries.

And here is the introduction to Pat Condell; he may not like us, but we like him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA

Morg.