Thursday, 13 August 2009

BNP protesters' rally anger

A tense weekend lies in store for residents of Codnor, Loscoe and Denby as the annual British National Party Festival takes place, with campaigners vowing to stage a massive protest against the event.
Protesters against the Red, White and Blue festival have promised a bigger turn out than ever and say they are angry at police plans to restrict their rally to Codnor and a designated protest point near the site only.

Festival host and party member Alan Warner has said: "Any trouble will come from opponents of his party rather than people attending the festival......


I will be targeted afterwards as I have been for the last three years, but the show goes on. I am expecting a bigger turnout this year as it is the tenth one and we have just got two MEPs elected."

Continued: http://www.ripleyandheanornews.co.uk/news/BNP-protesters39-rally-anger.5550511.jp


See you all there!

11 comments:

Mr Commonsense said...

BNP website not operating??????

Anti-gag said...

The Lancaster blog has been inundated with climate change denial comments, so I thought it time to put the record straight. And as I'm sure the Wigan blog has more readers than our Lancaster site, I thought I'd leave my response here as well.

This is what the British Met Office has to say on the subject.

"Climate change, is it real?"

Now who do you prefer to believe the experts or some fake online petition (by the way, most of the names on that petition are either fake or put their by other people).

Why do some scientists deny global warming? The answer is simple: money from the big oil companies.

If you need even more information on the subject, I suggest you subscribe to this gentleman's Youtube account: greenman3610's . "Climate change, weekly updates"

From.
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Bertie_Bert said...

Mars is being hit by rapid climate change and it is happening so fast that the red planet could lose its southern ice cap.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece

Bertie_Bert said...

BNP RWB 2009 Dedicated to David Cameron sponsor of the violent UAF.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYpK3hH_oSk

Anti-gag said...

Dear Bertie_Bert (04:28 hrs),
There is one big difference between the climate changes on Mars and that of Earth: Climate change on Mars probably won't have a massive effect on life on Earth, climate change on Earth will!

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Lanky Patriot said...

A book written by a true scientist is well worth reading.

"Heaven and Earth" global warming, the missing science by Ian Plimer professor of earth and environmental sciences at Adelaide University. He has held posts at Melbourne, Newcastle and New South Wales universities.

It gives the scientific reasons for doubt on the effects of man on Global Warming.

As one who trained in science I can understand many of his points but even I find parts too technical.
However his arguments are very persuasive and I believe he is right.
CO2 has nothing to do with global warming.

Of course the media, largely composed of arts graduates will disagree but they know no science.
Why are these people's opinions given such weight when they know nothing of science?

I don't give an opinion on Shakespear or acting, classical music etc as I know nothing about these subjects, but as I said I do know a bit of science and Ian Plimer is right to doubt the conventional "wisdom"

Bertie_Bert said...

Dear Anti-gag, the reason I brought up climate change on mars, is to suggest that climate change is a natural event, because of the sun, not 4x4s etc.
Furthermore it has happened many times before, Vikings were growing grapes in Greenland.
Glaciers then grew massively after that old warm spell. Man made global cooling I'll wager.
However I am all in favour of using energy responsibly.

Anti-gag said...

Hi Charles,

It simply isn't true that anything other than a very small number of scientist doubt that climate change is both real and a very great threat to life on Earth (at least to the human races it is). It is unfortunately however true that some scientist can be bought. The tobacco companies in the 50's and 60's (in fact even up until the 1990's) denied that cigarettes were a health risk (despite having overwhelming evidence that they were), and resisted the inevitable drop in their profits by paying unscrupulous scientist to muddy the waters. The tobacco industry knew of course that they would eventually lose, but by putting off the inevitable they were able to make billions of extra dollars (sod the cost in lives). And this is exactly the tactics the big oil companies (and Arab oil Sheikhs) are using to delay the inevitable, and to make billions while you do.

This is what the British Met Office has to say on the subject.

"Climate change, is it real?"


But even if you decide you don't trust the Met office (they are after all a government institution), pure reason and basic science must tell you that an increase in CO2 in the atmosphere, will result in the average temperature of the earth itself increasing. The agreement (which I've simplified greatly) goes as follows: Sunlight can pass through the atmosphere largely unaffected by any CO2 build up, but infra red radiation (from the Earth) can't pass through an atmosphere rich in CO2 and is unable to escape in the same quantities it did before the CO2 build up. That is: it (the energy in the infra red radiation) is trapped and the temperature of the Earth inevitably increases.

Now whether the raise in CO2 is a natural occurring phenomenon, or whether it's a man made, is largely irrelevant (except of course that knowing the answer to that question might allow us to derive effective solutions to the problem), we need to stop and then reverse it, what ever the cause.

On another note:
I hope the RWB went well, and you're all back safe and sound now. The anti protest really made themselves look like a load of thugs (which a lot of them are of course).

Keep well
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Anti-gag said...

Hi again Charles,

I've just found this on Plimer's Wikipedia entry:
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In 2009, Plimer released Heaven and Earth, a book in which he claims that climate models focus too strongly on the effects of carbon dioxide, rather than factoring other issues such as solar variation.[14] Scientists involved in climate change research counter that they have, in fact, factored in the influence of natural forces and that there still remains a significant human influence on the Earth's climate system.
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So I don't think he is questioning either climate change or that CO2 plays a part in it. He seems only to be questing the size of the roll it plays in warming the Earth.

Keep well
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)
PS.
Yes you are of course right when you point out (as I'm sure you will) that I haven't actually read his book and Wikipedia is not 100% reliable.

Lanky Patriot said...

Chris, I certainly do advise you to read the book and see what he writes.This will avoid you saying what others say he writes.

Don't quote Wikipedia please. It's so unreliable as to be not worth reading.

Yes big business does influence so called independent scientists. The Carbon credit schemes to name just one.
I know the tobacco industries sought to deny that cigs caused cancer, but again I got my views from my father who was scientifically trained.
When he caught me smoking aged 15 in 1955 his first words were "you know they cause cancer".

The biggest threat to humanity is running out of oil, not CO2.
That's why I think we should shut the North Sea down and conserrve it.
Without oil there is no modern agriculture and we are back to complete "organic" agriculture, you know, starvation and plagues.

Anti-gag said...

Hi Charles,

Yes of course Wikipedia is not 100% reliable, but it is useful as a starting point to check things out, and it often gives links to more reliable sites.

As for climate change, who would I rather believe: The overwhelming scientific opinion or that of a few whose motivation may well be honest, but still appear to be disagreeing with the vast majority of their fellow scientists.

Check out the British Met office's site (link below), it covers a lot of the myths about climate change.

"British Met office on climate change"

yaz