The first of the two videos I posted two articles back has been removed by YouTube for "Terms of use violation".
However, it has also been placed elsewhere, so the link on this post will take you to it again. Do watch it again. This is pure censorship of a video that is nothing but information. What can we conclude from this?
THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION! SO THEN WE HAVE TO ASK: WHY NOT?
Watch it again, see if you can see what is so awful that it had to be removed. Here it is:
http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2009/04/why-did-youtube-remove-this-video.html
Morg
.
Wednesday, 29 April 2009
Tuesday, 28 April 2009
TOO JEWISH AND TOO WHITE FOR LABOUR
Islamified Labour Party Becomes Anti-Jewish as Middle East Conflict Spreads to Britain
April 28, 2009 by BNP News Filed under National News
The Islamification of Britain which is the direct result of mass Third World immigration has now started to directly affect the Labour Party as well, after a Jewish would-be councillor was told by a senior party official that she was “too Jewish and too white” to stand in a Birmingham ward dominated by Afro-Caribbean and Muslim residents.
Ms Elaina Cohen was told by Labour’s former Lord Mayor councillor Mahmood Hussain [ … ] that he could not support her application for an inner-city ward because “my Muslim members don’t want you because you are Jewish.”
Mrs Cohen said: “I am shocked and upset that a member of the Labour Party in this day and age could even think something like that, let alone say it.
“People should not be allowed to make racist comments like that. If someone in the party feels I cannot represent them because of my colour or religion, that’s ridiculous.”
Mrs Cohen had applied to stand as a Labour councillor for the Birmingham ward of East Handsworth and Lozells, which has a high Asian and Afro-Caribbean population. As one of Labour’s safest seats on Birmingham city council, the final candidate would be almost certain of victory at the June 4 by-election.
But when Mrs Cohen telephoned 57-year-old Mr Hussain for his support, she was astonished to be told that she was too “white and Jewish” to be considered.
Lorraine Briscoe, who runs a local community association, was sitting next to Mrs Cohen when the conversation took place on speakerphone last Tuesday.
“I was disgusted that a councillor could make comments like that in 2009,” she said.
“He told her they ‘will not vote for someone who is white and Jewish. My Muslim members don’t want you because you are Jewish.’
“Elaina then asked him if he had talked to his Muslim members about it and he said, ‘I don’t want to talk about it with you’ and hung up.”
Two days after the conversation, Mrs Cohen and another candidate were rejected by a pre-selection panel after failing to gain the support of the local party. Instead, members were presented with one candidate, black South African Hendrina Quinnen, who was selected by an almost unanimous vote.
The development is the inevitable result of the Islamification of Britain, and the resultant importation of Middle East conflicts to these shores. As increasing numbers of Muslims settle and take over Britain, anti-Jewish events will steadily increase.
This has been the case in all European countries where Islamic immigration has been high. France in particular has seen dramatically increased anti-Jewish attacks which have all been Islamist in origin.
Have you seen and heard about this on the BBC? On any other lobotomy box channel? Read it in the Guardian? In any other newspaper?
What if she’d been applying to be a BNP candidate and was told that? And then had the phone put down on her?
What if a BNP candidate selection committee told a Pakistani applicant that sorry, he was too Pakistani and too brown? Or too Muslim and too brown? And we didn’t want to talk about it anyway, and then put the phone down on him?
Do you think THAT might have been on the BBC? In the Guardian? All the other papers? Hell yes – it would have been the lead item on the 6 o’clock news, 9 o’clock news, Newsnight … for days on end; and on the front pages of all the papers.
http://bnp.org.uk/2009/04/islamified-labour-party-becomes-anti-jewish-as-middle-east-conflict-spreads-to-britain/
Help bring about an end to anti-white racism and anti-semitism in Britain:
June 4th E.U. Elections.
Vote British National Party.
Morg
.
April 28, 2009 by BNP News Filed under National News
The Islamification of Britain which is the direct result of mass Third World immigration has now started to directly affect the Labour Party as well, after a Jewish would-be councillor was told by a senior party official that she was “too Jewish and too white” to stand in a Birmingham ward dominated by Afro-Caribbean and Muslim residents.
Ms Elaina Cohen was told by Labour’s former Lord Mayor councillor Mahmood Hussain [ … ] that he could not support her application for an inner-city ward because “my Muslim members don’t want you because you are Jewish.”
Mrs Cohen said: “I am shocked and upset that a member of the Labour Party in this day and age could even think something like that, let alone say it.
“People should not be allowed to make racist comments like that. If someone in the party feels I cannot represent them because of my colour or religion, that’s ridiculous.”
Mrs Cohen had applied to stand as a Labour councillor for the Birmingham ward of East Handsworth and Lozells, which has a high Asian and Afro-Caribbean population. As one of Labour’s safest seats on Birmingham city council, the final candidate would be almost certain of victory at the June 4 by-election.
But when Mrs Cohen telephoned 57-year-old Mr Hussain for his support, she was astonished to be told that she was too “white and Jewish” to be considered.
Lorraine Briscoe, who runs a local community association, was sitting next to Mrs Cohen when the conversation took place on speakerphone last Tuesday.
“I was disgusted that a councillor could make comments like that in 2009,” she said.
“He told her they ‘will not vote for someone who is white and Jewish. My Muslim members don’t want you because you are Jewish.’
“Elaina then asked him if he had talked to his Muslim members about it and he said, ‘I don’t want to talk about it with you’ and hung up.”
Two days after the conversation, Mrs Cohen and another candidate were rejected by a pre-selection panel after failing to gain the support of the local party. Instead, members were presented with one candidate, black South African Hendrina Quinnen, who was selected by an almost unanimous vote.
The development is the inevitable result of the Islamification of Britain, and the resultant importation of Middle East conflicts to these shores. As increasing numbers of Muslims settle and take over Britain, anti-Jewish events will steadily increase.
This has been the case in all European countries where Islamic immigration has been high. France in particular has seen dramatically increased anti-Jewish attacks which have all been Islamist in origin.
Have you seen and heard about this on the BBC? On any other lobotomy box channel? Read it in the Guardian? In any other newspaper?
What if she’d been applying to be a BNP candidate and was told that? And then had the phone put down on her?
What if a BNP candidate selection committee told a Pakistani applicant that sorry, he was too Pakistani and too brown? Or too Muslim and too brown? And we didn’t want to talk about it anyway, and then put the phone down on him?
Do you think THAT might have been on the BBC? In the Guardian? All the other papers? Hell yes – it would have been the lead item on the 6 o’clock news, 9 o’clock news, Newsnight … for days on end; and on the front pages of all the papers.
http://bnp.org.uk/2009/04/islamified-labour-party-becomes-anti-jewish-as-middle-east-conflict-spreads-to-britain/
Help bring about an end to anti-white racism and anti-semitism in Britain:
June 4th E.U. Elections.
Vote British National Party.
Morg
.
Sunday, 26 April 2009
IMPORTANT: WATCH THIS VIDEO
JUST CLICK ON THE LINK
http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2009/04/depressed-you-will-be-in-couple-of.html
June 4th:
VOTE BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY
Morg
.
UPDATE
Watch this one too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkS7uRkJJa0&feature=related
June 4th
VOTE BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY
Morg
.
http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2009/04/depressed-you-will-be-in-couple-of.html
June 4th:
VOTE BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY
Morg
.
UPDATE
Watch this one too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkS7uRkJJa0&feature=related
June 4th
VOTE BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY
Morg
.
Friday, 24 April 2009
CELEBRATING ST GEORGE.
It is great to see that St Georges Day has been celebrated all over the country this last week and especially on the 23rd.
A few years ago this saints day was ignored by most people but I have always sported a red rose for the occasion wherever I have been.
Thirty years ago I was attending a course in London on St Georges Day and sporting my usual red rose.I was the only person wearing a rose and bowler hatted city gents came up to me and congratulated me on my patriotism.
A few years ago this saints day was ignored by most people but I have always sported a red rose for the occasion wherever I have been.
Thirty years ago I was attending a course in London on St Georges Day and sporting my usual red rose.I was the only person wearing a rose and bowler hatted city gents came up to me and congratulated me on my patriotism.
It is all so different today. Flags are everywhere and many towns and villages are urged to celebrate, and reclaim the day from the "Far Right" by politicians such as Boris Johnson (the advocate of amnesty for illegal immigrants) and immigrant clerics such as the Archbishop of York.
There are two points to make here.
Politicians have only been stimulated into celebrating our day by their fear of the BNP. They would not have needed to "reclaim" the flag if they had not discarded it into the gutter. We rescued it and now they want it back. If they were so keen on it they should not have discarded it.
Secondly we don't need advice from immigrants on what is Englishness nor how we should celebrate it, however good their intentions may be.
It is our flag and our day and we celebrate it as we want. We know who we are and ---
WE ARE THE ENGLISH and we will continue to do it OUR way as it belongs to US.
STOP PRESS: SHOUTY SLAPPER GETS SLAPPED
What IS going on?
Sure, with events as described below by Lanky, and what I’m being told about events in Liverpool yesterday, the police are not exactly flavour of the month with our local and nearby BNPers. But let’s be honest here shall we? The police don’t want to do this stuff; at least, the constables out there on the street don’t. They’ve got better things to do with their time and they know it.
No, it’s not them – it’s a combination of local (and national) politicians and council (Common Purpose?) officials putting pressure on the senior police officers, to send their constables to disrupt BNP election activity. Being a uniformed service, they generally obey the orders given by their senior officers, on pain - so they are threatened anyway - of losing their jobs if they don’t. They know they have more important real-world things to do but, well, ‘orders is orders’.
I’ve been a member of a uniformed armed service, so I can fully understand that (though bear in mind that holding the Office of Constable allows a lot more leeway to the individual concerned than does being a soldier, sailor, airman or marine. Individual constables ought to have a serious think about that). Even the armed forces are able to refuse unlawful or just plain wrong orders – it should be, and is, a lot easier for a constable. In the army, so the story amongst the enlisted men goes, the first duty of the platoon sergeant, on contact with the enemy, is to keep as many of his men alive as possible by immediately shooting the lieutenant. Make of that what you like.
So remember folks, don’t lash out blindly in the blame game: target the original source of the problem.
Now then, let’s get on with what I really wanted this post to be about …
Couple of weeks ago a shouty slapper in London got a bit of a … er … well … a slapping, actually, for being just that little bit too shouty with a man who was at the end of his tether. Consequences of that? Acres and acres of newsprint, videos everywhere you looked (and still happening); lead stories on al-Beebeecera and other television channels and radio stations.
All par for the course, of course.
Last week, in Newham in London, Police Constable Gary Toms was killed – murdered – trying to arrest robbery suspects. Heard about it? Has it been all over the papers, telly, radio? Seriously, I’m genuinely asking here – did you even know about this?
It HAS been reported, but hardly at all, and certainly given no prominence whatsoever. Surely I’m not the only person here who can remember the days – and it isn’t THAT many years ago – when the killing of a constable was a shocking event, all the media was plastered with it until the inevitable national manhunt, with all police and all members of the public keeping an eye out for the suspected perpetrator, was concluded with the arrest of the suspect? Nowadays, barely a mention anywhere and hardly a ripple across the public consciousness. However, a shouty slapper getting a slap is “News” you just can’t get away from.
Google (pages from UK only) ‘constable Gary Toms’, the conscientious constable murdered in the line of duty and you get 66,900 hits. That sounds like respectable coverage doesn’t it? Well, it does until you:
Google (pages from UK only) ‘Nichola Fisher’, the shouty slapper who got the slapping she was begging for and you get 403,000 hits.
What is going on?
I think the media – all of it, no exceptions – is suffering from an advanced case of priority disconnect. For every story of a conscientious constable murdered on duty, there are SIX stories of a shouty slapper getting slapped. And it’s not just numbers of stories alone: it’s the prominence given to each. Cops must be feeling the frustration and resentment BNPers feel in this respect. For the cops it’s what I just described; for BNPers it’s white-on-non-white crime given widespread prominence in the media, whereas non-white-on-white (overwhelmingly more frequent) crime is barely mentioned and soon slips from the news.
And showing that it's not just the British media suffering from this priority disconnect, do those same Google searches worldwide:
Police Constable Toms - 239,000 hits
Nichola Fisher - 3,350,000 hits.
So here we get a 14/1 disparity in coverage.
All par for the course, of course.
What IS going on?
As a final word, let’s talk about the Office of Constable.
Constable. Sergeant. Inspector. Chief Superintendent. Chief Constable of Manchester.
To me, and to the law itself, they all have IDENTICAL STATUS. There is no such thing as the “Office of Chief Constable”, or whatever: there is only the “Office of Constable”. All hold identical Office. In law, and to any member of the public, all are equal. You should all bear in mind that that man over there in some very comfortable chair behind a desk – the Chief Constable – and that newly qualified policewoman passing you in the street, ARE EXACTLY THE SAME THING – “CONSTABLE”.
The public should bear this in mind at all times. As should all Constables when given what are obviously wrong or stupid orders by what is only another Constable. He or she may wear fancier badges on their epaulettes, or scrambled egg on their hat peaks, and maybe even carry a small baton, or as I prefer - stick (that makes me laugh so much) – but they are still only Constables, exactly – EXACTLY – the same as you. Holding the “Office of Constable” gives you the power to use your own discretion. USE IT! Do not allow the politicians and senior officers (also politicians – they stopped being cops when they became Inspectors – most of them anyway – and morphed into managers. By the time those managers – most of them anyway - became Chief Superintendents, they stopped being managers and morphed into politicians. And somewhere along the way many of them became Common Purpose graduates; a sinister organisation with an agenda all of its own. You know it, and although you may not realise it, we know it too. Use your discretion as constables because apart from your Sergeants, there aren’t many real cops up there telling you what to do) to lead you away from the right to use your discretion, and that vital connection to the public.
Read this:
http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/policeman-killed-no-story-woman-slapped-big-story/
And this is from Australia: watch it. Exactly this happens here too every day, somewhere. Constables – set your own priorities – use your discretion:
http://bfbwwiii.blogspot.com/2009/04/horrific-racist-attack-in-australia.html
And do I really need to reiterate the Peelian Principles? Here they are anyway:
Peelian Principles describes the philosophy that Robert Peel developed to define an ethical police force. The principles traditionally ascribed to Peel state that:
Every police officer should be issued a badge number, to assure accountability for his actions.
Whether the police are effective is not measured on the number of arrests, but on the lack of crime.
Above all else, an effective authority figure knows trust and accountability are paramount.
Hence, Peel's most often quoted principle: The police are the public and the public are the police.
Police Principles
The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon the public approval of police actions.
Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observation of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.
The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.
Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.
Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice, and warning is found to be insufficient.
Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions, and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.
The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_Principles
Does it really take a thick knuckledragging fascist racist BNP nazi scum scrote like me to tell you, public AND police, all this?
Morg
.
Sure, with events as described below by Lanky, and what I’m being told about events in Liverpool yesterday, the police are not exactly flavour of the month with our local and nearby BNPers. But let’s be honest here shall we? The police don’t want to do this stuff; at least, the constables out there on the street don’t. They’ve got better things to do with their time and they know it.
No, it’s not them – it’s a combination of local (and national) politicians and council (Common Purpose?) officials putting pressure on the senior police officers, to send their constables to disrupt BNP election activity. Being a uniformed service, they generally obey the orders given by their senior officers, on pain - so they are threatened anyway - of losing their jobs if they don’t. They know they have more important real-world things to do but, well, ‘orders is orders’.
I’ve been a member of a uniformed armed service, so I can fully understand that (though bear in mind that holding the Office of Constable allows a lot more leeway to the individual concerned than does being a soldier, sailor, airman or marine. Individual constables ought to have a serious think about that). Even the armed forces are able to refuse unlawful or just plain wrong orders – it should be, and is, a lot easier for a constable. In the army, so the story amongst the enlisted men goes, the first duty of the platoon sergeant, on contact with the enemy, is to keep as many of his men alive as possible by immediately shooting the lieutenant. Make of that what you like.
So remember folks, don’t lash out blindly in the blame game: target the original source of the problem.
Now then, let’s get on with what I really wanted this post to be about …
Couple of weeks ago a shouty slapper in London got a bit of a … er … well … a slapping, actually, for being just that little bit too shouty with a man who was at the end of his tether. Consequences of that? Acres and acres of newsprint, videos everywhere you looked (and still happening); lead stories on al-Beebeecera and other television channels and radio stations.
All par for the course, of course.
Last week, in Newham in London, Police Constable Gary Toms was killed – murdered – trying to arrest robbery suspects. Heard about it? Has it been all over the papers, telly, radio? Seriously, I’m genuinely asking here – did you even know about this?
It HAS been reported, but hardly at all, and certainly given no prominence whatsoever. Surely I’m not the only person here who can remember the days – and it isn’t THAT many years ago – when the killing of a constable was a shocking event, all the media was plastered with it until the inevitable national manhunt, with all police and all members of the public keeping an eye out for the suspected perpetrator, was concluded with the arrest of the suspect? Nowadays, barely a mention anywhere and hardly a ripple across the public consciousness. However, a shouty slapper getting a slap is “News” you just can’t get away from.
Google (pages from UK only) ‘constable Gary Toms’, the conscientious constable murdered in the line of duty and you get 66,900 hits. That sounds like respectable coverage doesn’t it? Well, it does until you:
Google (pages from UK only) ‘Nichola Fisher’, the shouty slapper who got the slapping she was begging for and you get 403,000 hits.
What is going on?
I think the media – all of it, no exceptions – is suffering from an advanced case of priority disconnect. For every story of a conscientious constable murdered on duty, there are SIX stories of a shouty slapper getting slapped. And it’s not just numbers of stories alone: it’s the prominence given to each. Cops must be feeling the frustration and resentment BNPers feel in this respect. For the cops it’s what I just described; for BNPers it’s white-on-non-white crime given widespread prominence in the media, whereas non-white-on-white (overwhelmingly more frequent) crime is barely mentioned and soon slips from the news.
And showing that it's not just the British media suffering from this priority disconnect, do those same Google searches worldwide:
Police Constable Toms - 239,000 hits
Nichola Fisher - 3,350,000 hits.
So here we get a 14/1 disparity in coverage.
All par for the course, of course.
What IS going on?
As a final word, let’s talk about the Office of Constable.
Constable. Sergeant. Inspector. Chief Superintendent. Chief Constable of Manchester.
To me, and to the law itself, they all have IDENTICAL STATUS. There is no such thing as the “Office of Chief Constable”, or whatever: there is only the “Office of Constable”. All hold identical Office. In law, and to any member of the public, all are equal. You should all bear in mind that that man over there in some very comfortable chair behind a desk – the Chief Constable – and that newly qualified policewoman passing you in the street, ARE EXACTLY THE SAME THING – “CONSTABLE”.
The public should bear this in mind at all times. As should all Constables when given what are obviously wrong or stupid orders by what is only another Constable. He or she may wear fancier badges on their epaulettes, or scrambled egg on their hat peaks, and maybe even carry a small baton, or as I prefer - stick (that makes me laugh so much) – but they are still only Constables, exactly – EXACTLY – the same as you. Holding the “Office of Constable” gives you the power to use your own discretion. USE IT! Do not allow the politicians and senior officers (also politicians – they stopped being cops when they became Inspectors – most of them anyway – and morphed into managers. By the time those managers – most of them anyway - became Chief Superintendents, they stopped being managers and morphed into politicians. And somewhere along the way many of them became Common Purpose graduates; a sinister organisation with an agenda all of its own. You know it, and although you may not realise it, we know it too. Use your discretion as constables because apart from your Sergeants, there aren’t many real cops up there telling you what to do) to lead you away from the right to use your discretion, and that vital connection to the public.
Read this:
http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/policeman-killed-no-story-woman-slapped-big-story/
And this is from Australia: watch it. Exactly this happens here too every day, somewhere. Constables – set your own priorities – use your discretion:
http://bfbwwiii.blogspot.com/2009/04/horrific-racist-attack-in-australia.html
And do I really need to reiterate the Peelian Principles? Here they are anyway:
Peelian Principles describes the philosophy that Robert Peel developed to define an ethical police force. The principles traditionally ascribed to Peel state that:
Every police officer should be issued a badge number, to assure accountability for his actions.
Whether the police are effective is not measured on the number of arrests, but on the lack of crime.
Above all else, an effective authority figure knows trust and accountability are paramount.
Hence, Peel's most often quoted principle: The police are the public and the public are the police.
Police Principles
The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon the public approval of police actions.
Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observation of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.
The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.
Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.
Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice, and warning is found to be insufficient.
Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions, and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.
The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_Principles
Does it really take a thick knuckledragging fascist racist BNP nazi scum scrote like me to tell you, public AND police, all this?
Morg
.
Thursday, 23 April 2009
FUN AND GAMES IN ST HELENS
An interesting and successful day in St Helens yesterday.
We decided to have a day of action there (I couldn't publicise it so we would catch them out)
A stall was set up near the parish church and leaflets were being handed out.
Before long the council officials were out to see if any by laws were being broken(they weren't) but it was surprising that so many people could be spared from the busy town hall to monitor a leafletting campaign. They must have had a slack work day. Keep paying your council tax. You know it is being put to good use.
A bearded man (he looked like a social worker) started handing out "Searchlies" pamphlets out and was generally ignored.
Tony Ward, our hero of Leigh was filming the street and was told by a cop to stop filming and he replied "no", so another cop came and said the same and he again refused saying it was not against the law unless he was a suspected terrorist. If they thought he was a terrorist they would have to arrest him. After conferring they decided to go. He asked them if he could carry on filming and one cop said "please yourself".
It just shows they dont know the law and were sent by their PC bosses to hassle us.
In another amusing incident Paul Rimmer was being abused by the self styled "anti fascists" and he retaliated by singing the national anthem. At this they walked away but he followed them singing "Jerusalem". This seemed to frighten them and they had to get a cop to stop Paul singing as it was disturbing them.
WHAT A STATE WE ARE IN when singing "Jerusalem" is considered offensive.
Clive Jefferson in the loudspeaker car was threatened with arrest for noise pollution. He said if it is too loud ask me to turn it down. At the time the speakers were off so how they could assess it I don't know.
I heard a cop talking on his radio asking whether anything racist had been said but could not get this confirmed.
Clive was made to move his car, fair enough and he parked across the road. We were talking, in this quiet street and Nick arrived. I was amazed by the reaction for with only one exception people on recognising him were supportive and asked for leaflets.
After further leafletting we went to a pub where to a full house a soldier told of his betrayal by the government. He is a broken man but has little recompense, has to pay all his bills, unlike the immigrants. We were nearly moved to tears by his story.
This was followed by a Q and A session by Nick.
Today I visited a fantastic new venue where we will be having a special meeting in May.
It's all looking good with new enquiries coming in thick and fast.
I'm almost sorry I'll be off after tomorrow. The adrenaline is high and the response from the people is fantastic.
No wonder the corrupt politicians of the other parties are frightened.
The people are fed up of their lies and deceit and seeing the truth that--
The BNP is the ONLY way forward.
We decided to have a day of action there (I couldn't publicise it so we would catch them out)
A stall was set up near the parish church and leaflets were being handed out.
Before long the council officials were out to see if any by laws were being broken(they weren't) but it was surprising that so many people could be spared from the busy town hall to monitor a leafletting campaign. They must have had a slack work day. Keep paying your council tax. You know it is being put to good use.
A bearded man (he looked like a social worker) started handing out "Searchlies" pamphlets out and was generally ignored.
Tony Ward, our hero of Leigh was filming the street and was told by a cop to stop filming and he replied "no", so another cop came and said the same and he again refused saying it was not against the law unless he was a suspected terrorist. If they thought he was a terrorist they would have to arrest him. After conferring they decided to go. He asked them if he could carry on filming and one cop said "please yourself".
It just shows they dont know the law and were sent by their PC bosses to hassle us.
In another amusing incident Paul Rimmer was being abused by the self styled "anti fascists" and he retaliated by singing the national anthem. At this they walked away but he followed them singing "Jerusalem". This seemed to frighten them and they had to get a cop to stop Paul singing as it was disturbing them.
WHAT A STATE WE ARE IN when singing "Jerusalem" is considered offensive.
Clive Jefferson in the loudspeaker car was threatened with arrest for noise pollution. He said if it is too loud ask me to turn it down. At the time the speakers were off so how they could assess it I don't know.
I heard a cop talking on his radio asking whether anything racist had been said but could not get this confirmed.
Clive was made to move his car, fair enough and he parked across the road. We were talking, in this quiet street and Nick arrived. I was amazed by the reaction for with only one exception people on recognising him were supportive and asked for leaflets.
After further leafletting we went to a pub where to a full house a soldier told of his betrayal by the government. He is a broken man but has little recompense, has to pay all his bills, unlike the immigrants. We were nearly moved to tears by his story.
This was followed by a Q and A session by Nick.
Today I visited a fantastic new venue where we will be having a special meeting in May.
It's all looking good with new enquiries coming in thick and fast.
I'm almost sorry I'll be off after tomorrow. The adrenaline is high and the response from the people is fantastic.
No wonder the corrupt politicians of the other parties are frightened.
The people are fed up of their lies and deceit and seeing the truth that--
The BNP is the ONLY way forward.
EAT YOUR HEART OUT SIMON DARBY
Let’s take a little break from politics. Just for a change ... and see if we can’t make Simon a little envious …
It wouldn’t surprise me if not many of you know what this beautiful creature is. And even fewer will have seen one. I’d bet a lifetime’s pay that Simon Darby knows though. But have you ever seen one in the wild Simon? And from a distance of only about ten feet? And if you haven’t, wouldn’t you just love to – even if for only a few seconds?
I don’t know if this picture is of a Welsh one (I doubt it), or from some other population. It has recently been discovered that the Welsh Pine Martin forms a distinct genetic population, of probably no more than 50 individuals. And I’ve seen one of them close up!
It was from the time I lived in a house some 1800 or so ft up in the hills near Bala. We had no road to the house, only a track. One day I was walking along this track to walk the six miles or so to the town …
It is a peculiarity of mine that, particularly when out in the country, I move silently. I don’t do it consciously – it just happens. This is most likely a product of my rural Anglesey upbringing and the games we played and things we did. So, walking silently along this track, I was topping out over a rise … only my head was over it and there, about 10ft in front of me was a Pine Martin, crossing the track, and about half way over. It hadn’t heard me coming. I instantly stopped, and so did the martin. I looked at it, and it looked at me. For about six or seven seconds we both just froze in position staring at each other. Electrifying. What a privilege. The throat was far creamier than the white in this picture.
Like you Simon, I have an enormous, if informal, interest in the wildlife of our country. Most people, when they think of wildlife tend to think of Polar Bears, Lions, Tigers etc. without a thought for the rich variety of quite magnificent creatures here in Britain. It doesn’t have to be big to be magnificent. When’s Attenborough going to do one of his series again – but this time exclusively on OUR wildlife?
Anyway, after six or seven seconds it ran off into the trees. Never seen one before that, or since.
Saw a Hoopoe bird once too, at that house – honestly, I do know a Hoopoe bird when I see one. It set itself down on our living-room window sill. A strange sounding, as well as looking, bird. But that was nothing compared to the martin. I wont ever forget it.
Go on then Simon, black cat that. Because I’ve got an even blacker cat waiting in the wings ... from the South-east corner of Anglesey.
I’m the bloke you showed how to switch on my (my brothers actually – long term loan. Hah! - he wont see that again) camcorder at the Liverpool mass leafleting in response to the arrest of our Liverpool people the week before. At the war memorial.
It wouldn’t surprise me if not many of you know what this beautiful creature is. And even fewer will have seen one. I’d bet a lifetime’s pay that Simon Darby knows though. But have you ever seen one in the wild Simon? And from a distance of only about ten feet? And if you haven’t, wouldn’t you just love to – even if for only a few seconds?
I don’t know if this picture is of a Welsh one (I doubt it), or from some other population. It has recently been discovered that the Welsh Pine Martin forms a distinct genetic population, of probably no more than 50 individuals. And I’ve seen one of them close up!
It was from the time I lived in a house some 1800 or so ft up in the hills near Bala. We had no road to the house, only a track. One day I was walking along this track to walk the six miles or so to the town …
It is a peculiarity of mine that, particularly when out in the country, I move silently. I don’t do it consciously – it just happens. This is most likely a product of my rural Anglesey upbringing and the games we played and things we did. So, walking silently along this track, I was topping out over a rise … only my head was over it and there, about 10ft in front of me was a Pine Martin, crossing the track, and about half way over. It hadn’t heard me coming. I instantly stopped, and so did the martin. I looked at it, and it looked at me. For about six or seven seconds we both just froze in position staring at each other. Electrifying. What a privilege. The throat was far creamier than the white in this picture.
Like you Simon, I have an enormous, if informal, interest in the wildlife of our country. Most people, when they think of wildlife tend to think of Polar Bears, Lions, Tigers etc. without a thought for the rich variety of quite magnificent creatures here in Britain. It doesn’t have to be big to be magnificent. When’s Attenborough going to do one of his series again – but this time exclusively on OUR wildlife?
Anyway, after six or seven seconds it ran off into the trees. Never seen one before that, or since.
Saw a Hoopoe bird once too, at that house – honestly, I do know a Hoopoe bird when I see one. It set itself down on our living-room window sill. A strange sounding, as well as looking, bird. But that was nothing compared to the martin. I wont ever forget it.
Go on then Simon, black cat that. Because I’ve got an even blacker cat waiting in the wings ... from the South-east corner of Anglesey.
I’m the bloke you showed how to switch on my (my brothers actually – long term loan. Hah! - he wont see that again) camcorder at the Liverpool mass leafleting in response to the arrest of our Liverpool people the week before. At the war memorial.
Wednesday, 22 April 2009
TOTALITARIAN THOUGHT-POLICE STATE BRITAIN
Do you remember this young woman? Codie Stott is her name, and she features in this article. Do remind yourselves of what happened to her.
I have added a pair of photographs of the headmaster concerned, at the end of this post.
BRITAIN appears to be evolving into the first modern soft totalitarian state. As a sometime teacher of political science and international law, I do not use the term totalitarian loosely.
There are no concentration camps or gulags but there are thought police with unprecedented powers to dictate ways of thinking and sniff out heresy, and there can be harsh punishments for dissent.
Nikolai Bukharin claimed one of the Bolshevik Revolution's principal tasks was "to alter people's actual psychology". Britain is not Bolshevik, but a campaign to alter people's psychology and create a new Homo britannicus is under way without even a fig leaf of disguise.
The Government is pushing ahead with legislation that will criminalise politically incorrect jokes, with a maximum punishment of up to seven years' prison. The House of Lords tried to insert a free-speech amendment, but Justice Secretary Jack Straw knocked it out. It was Straw who previously called for a redefinition of Englishness and suggested the "global baggage of empire" was linked to soccer violence by "racist and xenophobic white males". He claimed the English "propensity for violence" was used to subjugate Ireland, Scotland and Wales, and that the English as a race were "potentially very aggressive".
In the past 10 years I have collected reports of many instances of draconian punishments, including the arrest and criminal prosecution of children, for thought-crimes and offences against political correctness.
Countryside Restoration Trust chairman and columnist Robin Page said at a rally against the Government's anti-hunting laws in Gloucestershire in 2002: "If you are a black vegetarian Muslim asylum-seeking one-legged lesbian lorry driver, I want the same rights as you." Page was arrested, and after four months he received a letter saying no charges would be pressed, but that: "If further evidence comes to our attention whereby your involvement is implicated, we will seek to initiate proceedings." It took him five years to clear his name.
Page was at least an adult. In September 2006, a 14-year-old schoolgirl, Codie Stott, asked a teacher if she could sit with another group to do a science project as all the girls with her spoke only Urdu. The teacher's first response, according to Stott, was to scream at her: "It's racist, you're going to get done by the police!" Upset and terrified, the schoolgirl went outside to calm down. The teacher called the police and a few days later, presumably after officialdom had thought the matter over, she was arrested and taken to a police station, where she was fingerprinted and photographed. According to her mother, she was placed in a bare cell for 3 1/2 hours. She was questioned on suspicion of committing a racial public order offence and then released without charge. The school was said to be investigating what further action to take, not against the teacher, but against Stott. Headmaster Anthony Edkins reportedly said: "An allegation of a serious nature was made concerning a racially motivated remark. We aim to ensure a caring and tolerant attitude towards pupils of all ethnic backgrounds and will not stand for racism in any form."
A 10-year-old child was arrested and brought before a judge, for having allegedly called an 11-year-old boy a "Paki" and "bin Laden" during a playground argument at a primary school (the other boy had called him a skunk and a Teletubby). When it reached the court the case had cost taxpayers pound stg. 25,000. The accused was so distressed that he had stopped attending school. The judge, Jonathan Finestein, said: "Have we really got to the stage where we are prosecuting 10-year-old boys because of political correctness? There are major crimes out there and the police don't bother to prosecute. This is nonsense."
Finestein was fiercely attacked by teaching union leaders, as in those witch-hunt trials where any who spoke in defence of an accused or pointed to defects in the prosecution were immediately targeted as witches and candidates for burning.
Hate-crime police investigated Basil Brush, a puppet fox on children's television, who had made a joke about Gypsies. The BBC confessed that Brush had behaved inappropriately and assured police that the episode would be banned.
A bishop was warned by the police for not having done enough to "celebrate diversity", the enforcing of which is now apparently a police function.
A Christian home for retired clergy and religious workers lost a grant because it would not reveal to official snoopers how many of the residents were homosexual. That they had never been asked was taken as evidence of homophobia.
Muslim parents who objected to young children being given books advocating same-sex marriage and adoption at one school last year had their wishes respected and the offending material withdrawn. This year, Muslim and Christian parents at another school objecting to the same material have not only had their objections ignored but have been threatened with prosecution if they withdraw their children.
There have been innumerable cases in recent months of people in schools, hospitals and other institutions losing their jobs because of various religious scruples, often, as in the East Germany of yore, not shouted fanatically from the rooftops but betrayed in private conversations and reported to authorities. The crime of one nurse was to offer to pray for a patient, who did not complain but merely mentioned the matter to another nurse.
A primary school receptionist, Jennie Cain, whose five-year-old daughter was told off for talking about Jesus in class, faces the sack for seeking support from her church. A private email from her to other members of the church asking for prayers fell into the hands of school authorities.
Permissiveness as well as draconianism can be deployed to destroy socially accepted norms and values. The Royal Navy, for instance, has installed a satanist chapel in a warship to accommodate the proclivities of a satanist crew member. "What would Nelson have said?" is a British newspaper cliche about navy scandals, but in this case seems a legitimate question. Satanist paraphernalia is also supplied to prison inmates who need it.
This campaign seems to come from unelected or quasi-governmental bodies controlling various institutions, which are more or less unanswerable to electors, more than it does directly from the Government, although the Government helps drive it and condones it in a fudged and deniable manner.
Any one of these incidents might be dismissed as an aberration, but taken together - and I have only mentioned a tiny sample; more are reported almost every day - they add up to a pretty clear picture.
You can find the original article here:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25361297-7583,00.html
And here’s Anthony Edkins, Codie Stott’s headmaster at the time.
Well stone the crows, who would have ever thunk it?
They try to tell you, in their many and varied not very polite ways, that we in the BNP are totalitarians who would make this country a living hell. Will we? Really? Could we possibly better the living hell it already is for so many of our people, including our children?
This is Britain. We are the British.
Vote BNP at any and every opportunity.
Bring this dystopian nightmare to an end.
Next post - probably tomorrow - will be titled "Eat your heart out Simon Darby".
And if he can better the tale I have to tell, then I can come back with an even blacker cat he will never beat as long as he lives.
Morg
.
I have added a pair of photographs of the headmaster concerned, at the end of this post.
BRITAIN appears to be evolving into the first modern soft totalitarian state. As a sometime teacher of political science and international law, I do not use the term totalitarian loosely.
There are no concentration camps or gulags but there are thought police with unprecedented powers to dictate ways of thinking and sniff out heresy, and there can be harsh punishments for dissent.
Nikolai Bukharin claimed one of the Bolshevik Revolution's principal tasks was "to alter people's actual psychology". Britain is not Bolshevik, but a campaign to alter people's psychology and create a new Homo britannicus is under way without even a fig leaf of disguise.
The Government is pushing ahead with legislation that will criminalise politically incorrect jokes, with a maximum punishment of up to seven years' prison. The House of Lords tried to insert a free-speech amendment, but Justice Secretary Jack Straw knocked it out. It was Straw who previously called for a redefinition of Englishness and suggested the "global baggage of empire" was linked to soccer violence by "racist and xenophobic white males". He claimed the English "propensity for violence" was used to subjugate Ireland, Scotland and Wales, and that the English as a race were "potentially very aggressive".
In the past 10 years I have collected reports of many instances of draconian punishments, including the arrest and criminal prosecution of children, for thought-crimes and offences against political correctness.
Countryside Restoration Trust chairman and columnist Robin Page said at a rally against the Government's anti-hunting laws in Gloucestershire in 2002: "If you are a black vegetarian Muslim asylum-seeking one-legged lesbian lorry driver, I want the same rights as you." Page was arrested, and after four months he received a letter saying no charges would be pressed, but that: "If further evidence comes to our attention whereby your involvement is implicated, we will seek to initiate proceedings." It took him five years to clear his name.
Page was at least an adult. In September 2006, a 14-year-old schoolgirl, Codie Stott, asked a teacher if she could sit with another group to do a science project as all the girls with her spoke only Urdu. The teacher's first response, according to Stott, was to scream at her: "It's racist, you're going to get done by the police!" Upset and terrified, the schoolgirl went outside to calm down. The teacher called the police and a few days later, presumably after officialdom had thought the matter over, she was arrested and taken to a police station, where she was fingerprinted and photographed. According to her mother, she was placed in a bare cell for 3 1/2 hours. She was questioned on suspicion of committing a racial public order offence and then released without charge. The school was said to be investigating what further action to take, not against the teacher, but against Stott. Headmaster Anthony Edkins reportedly said: "An allegation of a serious nature was made concerning a racially motivated remark. We aim to ensure a caring and tolerant attitude towards pupils of all ethnic backgrounds and will not stand for racism in any form."
A 10-year-old child was arrested and brought before a judge, for having allegedly called an 11-year-old boy a "Paki" and "bin Laden" during a playground argument at a primary school (the other boy had called him a skunk and a Teletubby). When it reached the court the case had cost taxpayers pound stg. 25,000. The accused was so distressed that he had stopped attending school. The judge, Jonathan Finestein, said: "Have we really got to the stage where we are prosecuting 10-year-old boys because of political correctness? There are major crimes out there and the police don't bother to prosecute. This is nonsense."
Finestein was fiercely attacked by teaching union leaders, as in those witch-hunt trials where any who spoke in defence of an accused or pointed to defects in the prosecution were immediately targeted as witches and candidates for burning.
Hate-crime police investigated Basil Brush, a puppet fox on children's television, who had made a joke about Gypsies. The BBC confessed that Brush had behaved inappropriately and assured police that the episode would be banned.
A bishop was warned by the police for not having done enough to "celebrate diversity", the enforcing of which is now apparently a police function.
A Christian home for retired clergy and religious workers lost a grant because it would not reveal to official snoopers how many of the residents were homosexual. That they had never been asked was taken as evidence of homophobia.
Muslim parents who objected to young children being given books advocating same-sex marriage and adoption at one school last year had their wishes respected and the offending material withdrawn. This year, Muslim and Christian parents at another school objecting to the same material have not only had their objections ignored but have been threatened with prosecution if they withdraw their children.
There have been innumerable cases in recent months of people in schools, hospitals and other institutions losing their jobs because of various religious scruples, often, as in the East Germany of yore, not shouted fanatically from the rooftops but betrayed in private conversations and reported to authorities. The crime of one nurse was to offer to pray for a patient, who did not complain but merely mentioned the matter to another nurse.
A primary school receptionist, Jennie Cain, whose five-year-old daughter was told off for talking about Jesus in class, faces the sack for seeking support from her church. A private email from her to other members of the church asking for prayers fell into the hands of school authorities.
Permissiveness as well as draconianism can be deployed to destroy socially accepted norms and values. The Royal Navy, for instance, has installed a satanist chapel in a warship to accommodate the proclivities of a satanist crew member. "What would Nelson have said?" is a British newspaper cliche about navy scandals, but in this case seems a legitimate question. Satanist paraphernalia is also supplied to prison inmates who need it.
This campaign seems to come from unelected or quasi-governmental bodies controlling various institutions, which are more or less unanswerable to electors, more than it does directly from the Government, although the Government helps drive it and condones it in a fudged and deniable manner.
Any one of these incidents might be dismissed as an aberration, but taken together - and I have only mentioned a tiny sample; more are reported almost every day - they add up to a pretty clear picture.
You can find the original article here:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25361297-7583,00.html
And here’s Anthony Edkins, Codie Stott’s headmaster at the time.
Well stone the crows, who would have ever thunk it?
They try to tell you, in their many and varied not very polite ways, that we in the BNP are totalitarians who would make this country a living hell. Will we? Really? Could we possibly better the living hell it already is for so many of our people, including our children?
This is Britain. We are the British.
Vote BNP at any and every opportunity.
Bring this dystopian nightmare to an end.
Next post - probably tomorrow - will be titled "Eat your heart out Simon Darby".
And if he can better the tale I have to tell, then I can come back with an even blacker cat he will never beat as long as he lives.
Morg
.
Tuesday, 21 April 2009
THE WHEREABOUTS OF HELEN MC COURT
I well remember the night of Helen Mc Court's murder.
I was at that time a GP and I had a late call on that Tuesday night. I remember the weather was foul, wet and very windy and as I passed the shops opposite the pub at about 8 pm looked to see if any young people were out on such a night. There were a few but not many.
On the following Thursday the police were asking for help. I went to Billinge school, now the Eddleston Centre where an incident room had been set up.
At the time there was an opencast site at the top of my drive and the access was there with a turning radius to the road. The coal had been worked right up to the radius and the hole was guarded by a rail about 2 ft tall. Three feet behind it was the drop, about 20 ft into the hole which was being filled up at the time.
About 15 yards away was the top of the tipping place where it was easy to get down to the bottom of the hole.
It would have been simple park a car, lift the body over the 2 ft rail,move it 3 ft and throw it down the hole and go round and cover it up. At 7 am the following morning before daylight work restarted filling the hole in at 500 tons per hour, and a body would have been soon covered in hundreds of tons of spoil.
I went to the police and told them this but was dismissed in a peremptory way by them saying they would check the following week.
They did not seem at all anxious to check immediately in spite of what I told them.
I therefore washed my hands of it.
I was told a forensic policeman was convinced she was buried there and all the other people in the area at the time will back up this version.
I think the police felt it too expensive to stop the opencast job and re excavate the hole so put on a show of trying to find her elsewhere.
I feel sure I could pin point the site of the body to 10 yards but since then a large gas main has been laid over it and there is no chance now.
All this does not help the poor girl, nor her mother but I think these facts should be made public as I and others have attempted in the past before the advent of blogs.
As for Ian Simms, he may not have killed her but I believe he knows who did it and that he was involved.
I think he is frightened to say more,as his life could be in danger if he did.
He must feel safer in jail.
I was at that time a GP and I had a late call on that Tuesday night. I remember the weather was foul, wet and very windy and as I passed the shops opposite the pub at about 8 pm looked to see if any young people were out on such a night. There were a few but not many.
On the following Thursday the police were asking for help. I went to Billinge school, now the Eddleston Centre where an incident room had been set up.
At the time there was an opencast site at the top of my drive and the access was there with a turning radius to the road. The coal had been worked right up to the radius and the hole was guarded by a rail about 2 ft tall. Three feet behind it was the drop, about 20 ft into the hole which was being filled up at the time.
About 15 yards away was the top of the tipping place where it was easy to get down to the bottom of the hole.
It would have been simple park a car, lift the body over the 2 ft rail,move it 3 ft and throw it down the hole and go round and cover it up. At 7 am the following morning before daylight work restarted filling the hole in at 500 tons per hour, and a body would have been soon covered in hundreds of tons of spoil.
I went to the police and told them this but was dismissed in a peremptory way by them saying they would check the following week.
They did not seem at all anxious to check immediately in spite of what I told them.
I therefore washed my hands of it.
I was told a forensic policeman was convinced she was buried there and all the other people in the area at the time will back up this version.
I think the police felt it too expensive to stop the opencast job and re excavate the hole so put on a show of trying to find her elsewhere.
I feel sure I could pin point the site of the body to 10 yards but since then a large gas main has been laid over it and there is no chance now.
All this does not help the poor girl, nor her mother but I think these facts should be made public as I and others have attempted in the past before the advent of blogs.
As for Ian Simms, he may not have killed her but I believe he knows who did it and that he was involved.
I think he is frightened to say more,as his life could be in danger if he did.
He must feel safer in jail.
SHUT UPPERY BEATEN AGAIN
"When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.''
Theodore Dalrymple
And here’s a man who is obviously not an emasculated liar because ‘They’ just can’t control him. For him, like for the BNP and its leaders, they have to resort to heavy-duty Shut Uppery. Who? Geert Wilders.
Remember him? The Dutch politician who was invited to give a showing of his film ‘Fitna’ in the House of Lords, followed by a speech/debate. What would he have said? Well, we don’t know do we because of the resort to Shut Uppery by the Shut Uppers. And that is the whole point behind Shut Uppery – they can’t stop him or any of us speaking, somewhere, but that’s not the aim of it: the aim is to stop YOU from hearing. And they were successful in that by preventing him from entering the country, as they were successful here in the Wigan Today online paper over the past couple of weeks.
However, the Shut Uppers still don’t get it about the Internet. As I did on these pages re: the conversations in Wigan Today, so I’m now going to do about the Shut Uppery that was applied to Wilders. They have no answer to what he has to say, and are terrified that we will hear what he says and might agree with him, so … SHUT UP! Ban him from the country. That the Shut Uppers have the POWER to ban someone, anyone, from the country tells us exactly who the Shut Uppers are. But the Internet … ahhh the Internet. The internet means that when he goes to America, and says the things he would no doubt say, and you could hear, here, then we can show you him speaking, and write down the words he spoke, the message he gave, and you can hear and read him. The Shut Uppers are by-passed. Beaten again.
Go to this website, and there is a film of the speech Gert Wilders gave in Hollywood. On that site, along with the film, is a complete transcript for those who either prefer to read than watch (something I recommend), or do not have a broadband connection so cannot watch streamed film. No doubt he gives this same basic speech whichever country he visits to deliver it, but adapts it to each country by using exemplars from the history of that country. Here he generally uses American history – in Britain he would have used British history (had the Shut Uppers not banned him from Britain).
http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2009/04/geert-wilders-on-liberty-and-sequel-to.html
Let me cite some extracts that I am particularly taken with:
“ … free speech is no longer a given in Europe. What we once considered a natural element of our existence, our birth right, is now something we once again have to battle for. To exercise free speech has become a dangerous activity.”
“Allow me to give you a brief introduction to Islam, an Islam 101. The first thing everyone needs to know about Islam is the importance of the Koran. As you probably know the Koran calls for submission, hatred, violence, murder, terrorism and war. The Koran calls upon Muslims to kill non-Muslims. The Koran describes Jews as monkeys and pigs. The biggest problem is that the Koran is to be considered as Allah’s personal word, with orders that need to be fulfilled regardless of place or time. That’s the reason why the Koran is not open to discussion or interpretation. It is valid for every Muslim and for all times. Therefore, there is no such thing as moderate Islam. Sure, there are a lot of moderate Muslims, but a moderate Islam does not exist. As the Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan once said: “There is no moderate Islam, Islam is Islam”. For once I have to agree with this islamist Turkish Prime Minister.”
“The second thing everyone needs to know about Islam is the importance of the prophet Muhammad. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Well let me tell you the truth about this so called prophet anyway. Muhammad was a warlord, a conqueror, a pedophile and a mass murderer. Islamic tradition tells us how he married and consumed the young girl Aisha long before she was ten years of age and how he fought in battles, how he murdered his enemies, how he slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. For millions of Muslims the Koran and the life of Muhammad are not ancient history but an inspiration. And if you criticize either the Koran or the Prophet or Islam as such, you better be prepared to face the consequences. You will receive death threats from all over the world … “
“As you know, the current Islamization of Europe is not an invasion like those we have seen in the past. This time it is not a military invasion with swords, this time we have to deal with a stealth invasion. Nowadays, the armies are replaced by cultural relativism and mass-immigration. … “
“As you know, Sharia is Islamic law, effective in barbaric countries such as Saudi-Arabia and Iran. Beheadings, hangings, chopping off hands and feet, stoning to death, lashings, it all happens because Sharia law prescribes it. Now, radical Muslims want to implement Sharia law into our Western societies. And they are very successful in doing so, helped by the Western cultural relativists … “
“ … this would mean the end of our precious liberties even though with Gordon Brown in office one might not easily see the difference.”
“Ladies and gentlemen, we have to stop the Islamization of the West. Because if we don’t, we will roll back centuries, it will mean the end of our civilization. If we don’t act now, we will betray our Western values, we will lose our culture, we will lose our democracy and we will lose the dearest of our many liberties: the right to speak our mind.The biggest disease of Europe today is cultural relativism. The default concept of political correct liberals that all cultures are equal. Well let me tell you: they are not. Our Western culture based on Christianity, Judaism and humanism is far better than the barbaric Islamic culture. Let me also tell you that Israel is one of us. … “
“Whether or not I end up in jail is not the most important issue. … “
“We have to defend freedom of speech. I propose the withdrawal of all hate speech legislation in Europe. … “
Fortunately, many people think like you and me about freedom and liberty. Millions know that liberty is the most precious of gifts. Freedom loving people have not yet forgotten to whom we owe our liberties. These were not offered to us on a silver platter, but were bitterly fought for. … “
“ … if we want to defend our freedom, if we truly want to withstand the evil forces of Islam, if we want to survive, we need less cowards and more heroes. We need to prevail and therefore we have to elect new leaders, brave leaders. Leaders who will protect our values, our culture, leaders who will defend our freedom, leaders who will stop cultural relativism and mass immigration from Islamic countries, leaders who will defy Islam. … “
“ … The good news is that normal people in Europe like in my own country The Netherlands are increasingly fed up with politicians ignoring our fight for freedom. A growing amount of people want to stop the islamization of our societies. A growing amount of people want to fight for the freedom of speech and want to preserve our precious free societies, rule of law and democracy for our children and their children. The old political elite is losing support. New political parties who fight for freedom are gaining strength in many European countries. … “
“ … There is panic indeed in and between the old ruling political parties who thought they would never be challenged. Who thought that they would always be in power.Well let me tell you they should be in panic. Because it will only get worse for them. Because we will not stop anymore. Not today, not tomorrow, old times are gone. The public want new politics and new vision and [that is] what they will get. And we will never stop fighting for freedom. As a matter of fact, the more they threaten us with death threats, fatwas or their legal jihad, the more determined we become to continue. My message to those who oppose our fight for freedom is as follows. We will never compromise on freedom.We will never compromise on liberty.We will never appease to Islam. We will never give in, never give up, never submit to totalitarianism again. Ladies and gentleman we should all make a difference. Because every individual has a responsibility to make a difference when our freedom is at stake.And we can make a difference, we have the privilege to live in a democracy, and we should never take that for granted. We are responsible to preserve our freedom and we have to take that responsibility at whatever price it may cost. For losing our freedom is no alternative.
Freedom is the most precious gift we can and must give to generations to come.“
Go to the above link and watch the film or read the entire transcript ... and preferably do both.
Now let’s go back to where I came in:"When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.''
Theodore Dalrymple
We in the BNP will NOT be forced to remain silent in the face of the lies we are all told daily by politicians and media. There are lies of commission; at those we will point our fingers and call “LIAR”; and there are lies of omission, where they either don’t tell you the whole truth, or resort to direct Shut Uppery to silence those who do. We in the BNP will by-pass the Shut Uppery and get the information to you anyway (did anyone see in any of the media - papers or television - that there was a massive demonstration by British people in Luton last week? No, thought not – google for it).
And we most certainly will NOT be forced to repeat those lies. NEVER! We will maintain our sense of probity. We will NEVER co-operate with evil and thus become evil.
This is why our standing to resist is not even the slightest bit eroded, never mind destroyed. We are not emasculated liars and will never be easy to control. We further expect that when – WHEN – we are elected to power in this country, and it's only a matter of time, we will very quickly give our people back their self-respect. We will give them back the truth, and banish the lies.
This is Britain and we are the British.
Vote BNP at any and all opportunity.
Morg
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Sunday, 19 April 2009
WOOLY HEADED WOOLAS.
Judging by the comments section of the paper, Phil Woollas has really shot himself in the foot by advising people to vote for any party but the BNP in his article in the Mail on Sunday.
He showed by his article that the other parties are all the same and therefore not fit to run this country, as it was their policies which got us into the mess in the first place.
He bemoanes that the BNP, if we obtain seats in the European parliament will get taxpayer funds, while not seeing the irony that if that is the case Labour has been drawing £millions from Europe for many years.
He also annoyed many people by presuming to tell people how to vote, but I suppose that is par for the course for Labour who seek to control every aspect of our lives.
Perhaps that is why they won't give us the promised referendum.
He claims to have seen our party off in Oldham. In your dreams son.
Yes we have been unable to capitalise fully on our early promise for a variety of reasons but not on account of you Mr Woolas and we have regrouped.
Derek Adam's 23% vote from nearby Moston from a standing start shows our growing strength in North Manchester and Oldham is not far away.
But we must not be complacent, nor are we.
We have had teams in several areas including central Wigan (thanks Morgan and Tony) and have met with a positive response, and we will be stepping up our efforts as much as possible with our available manpower.
At least this time we will not be restricted to the same extent as last time as donations and applications for membership are at an all time high.
Roll on June 4th.
He showed by his article that the other parties are all the same and therefore not fit to run this country, as it was their policies which got us into the mess in the first place.
He bemoanes that the BNP, if we obtain seats in the European parliament will get taxpayer funds, while not seeing the irony that if that is the case Labour has been drawing £millions from Europe for many years.
He also annoyed many people by presuming to tell people how to vote, but I suppose that is par for the course for Labour who seek to control every aspect of our lives.
Perhaps that is why they won't give us the promised referendum.
He claims to have seen our party off in Oldham. In your dreams son.
Yes we have been unable to capitalise fully on our early promise for a variety of reasons but not on account of you Mr Woolas and we have regrouped.
Derek Adam's 23% vote from nearby Moston from a standing start shows our growing strength in North Manchester and Oldham is not far away.
But we must not be complacent, nor are we.
We have had teams in several areas including central Wigan (thanks Morgan and Tony) and have met with a positive response, and we will be stepping up our efforts as much as possible with our available manpower.
At least this time we will not be restricted to the same extent as last time as donations and applications for membership are at an all time high.
Roll on June 4th.
"SHUT UPPERY" IN ACTION
The following story was published in the on-line Wigan Today newspaper last week. A comment facility was opened for this story, and no, this is not about the Editorial team. I have no complaints about them – they seem to have behaved impeccably. Indeed, they have been rather indulgent … so thank you sir.
http://www.wigantoday.net/wigannews/Girls-in-race-hate-attack.5161832.jp
However, the “Report Unsuitable” button for comments is too easily abused. I have tested it: click on ‘Report Unsuitable’, and a window appears; write in email address, then write in the appropriate space the reason the comment is unsuitable. Click submit. However, when I tested it I wrote random words in the reasons box … and five minutes later the comment was deleted anyway (I deleted a nonsense comment I had made especially for this test). This effectively gives readers the absolute power of censorship. In other words the reader can say “I don’t like you saying that, and I don’t want anyone else to read it, so SHUT UP!” … comment deleted.
“SHUT UP!” has been a common tactic for lefties over many years. They have developed many ways of saying it. Say or write something they don’t want anyone else to hear (can’t have people hearing all views and making their own minds up can we now) and they scream “Racist!”, “Nazi!, “Fascist!”, “Islamophobe!”, “Sexist!” … and numerous other words that all come down to saying the same thing: “SHUT UP!”. Ask an awkward question and they say “Shut up!”, point out an inconsistency – “Shut up”, why are we in the EU – “Shut up!” … and on and on it goes. They KNOW they have no answers that would be acceptable to the British people so away they go: “Shut Up!”.
The video linked to below says it all far better than I can. It is an American speaking – mostly about America – and there’s much in the detail that we can quibble with; however, just listen to the basic process being described, apply it to what goes on in this country from your own experience, and it will immediately strike a chord with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s
So, what’s all this got to do with a story in our local Wigan newspaper? First thing you must do is go to the above newspaper story link, then work your way through the comments one page at a time. Don’t bother reading the comments (yet) – just go through a page at a time – all the pages – and note the comment deletions. Several consecutive whole pages of deletions in one case – five or six pages (that particular episode was for just one comment of mine – he kept deleting it, I kept re-posting. Several hours of doing nothing else). Be patient and work your way through to the end – not reading, but just noting the deletions. You’re not losing anything because the entire conversation follows shortly in easily readable form (I’m typing them all out). The reason I want you to do that is so that you can see “SHUT UP!” in action.
Well I for one will NOT shut up. I have things to say – I’ll say them. I have questions to ask – I’ll ask them. Shut me up by deleting my writing – I’ll write it again. They don’t want to have to answer our questions and explain our observations – because they daren’t – so look – “JUST SHUT UP!”. And this isn’t just the SWP/UAF/Searchlight/HnotH etc – it extends right through our society from top to bottom and side to side, it takes in politics, the media, the entire Political Correctness culture.
So no, I wont shut up. What are you going to do about it pal? I’ve had enough of Shut Uppery.
And do note that it was NOT the Wigan Today editorial team that did this – it was leftard readers. They know they can’t stop us speaking, but that’s not really their intention: their intention is to stop ordinary people in large numbers from hearing. Oh no – dangerous. Good Lord – people might start making their own minds up if they could hear what non-leftards had to say, and making their minds up in ways the leftards don’t like. Get enough people doing that and voting behaviour might change, and THEN where are the leftards? Some readers – and I am inclined to believe this myself because of the pattern of events (described shortly) think Elliot Brown was the – or at least a – major deleter. Anyhow, read and make your own minds up. I have all that follows in screengrab form (for legal back-up if necessary), but all the deletions would make it to confusing to follow so for this post I’ve typed it out.
We were comprehensively defeated in this exchange – we won every battle, reached a satisfactory conclusion, but Shut-uppery won the war. There are lessons to be learned here. Please: take all the dreary time it takes to read the entire conversation here:
http://sirhenrymorgan.blogspot.com/2009/04/shut-uppery-in-action.html
Please go read it all, and then email me with any insights you might have regarding lessons. You’ll be surprised at how even trivial stuff gets deleted just to break up the thread.
The “Sir Henry Morgan” website is a just a site I use to park stuff.
The version of the conversation posted here is heavily edited down from nearly a week’s worth of conversation. It makes it look like we might have won – but we didn’t – “SHUT UP” won – by first diverting the thread away from discussion of the primary subject into politics and then into discussion of censorship. Essentially we were out-lasted because WE had a time limit to maintain public interest, but Shut-uppery didn’t. Insights – PLEASE!
COMMENTS; AND SOME COMMENTARY ON THOSE COMMENTS (any correction of typos, and any emphases, are mine). I have the original screengrabs for everything here. The actual conversation was spread over almost an entire week.
Comment 1 – Thejones DELETED
Why is the race of the perpetrators shown in the article?
Comment 2 – sickofitall DELETED
Thejones.
Simple, because it is only a racist attack if the perpetrators are white! Let’s see how long this stays on before the politically correct remove my reply.
Comment 3 – Thejones
My point (?concern) actually lies in the realm of fair 'equivalence'. My feelings are that it should ALWAYS be revealed or NEVER. For the record the perpetrators of this attack (which I condemn unreservedly) have not yet been charged with a 'race hate' crime so perhaps a little...premature? I have truly only just started to examine these things with a more critical eye in recent times especially with an eye on where to cast my vote in the EU elections (and NO, I have NEVER voted for the BNP and frankly, my inclination is to vote for Cameron but I'm not happy there either!).I am assuming your thesis can be proven? Ref free expression being 'moderated' away I have experience within this very journal of just such matters. Too complex to explain. I gave up with my repeated complaints to the editor. Hello by the way.
Comment 4 – Morgan DELETED
Like, for instance, neither this paper nor Peter Franzen saw fit to mention that though this wasn’t the case for all the protesters – ALL of those that attacked the four BNP members and their Landrover in Leigh three weeks ago with claw hammers (using the claw bit to hit Tony Ward in the head) and axes were Asian. ALL!Nobody in the BNP thinks these were peaceful Hindus; and we think such a cowardly attack would be beneath the warrior Sikhs; and thinking it might have been Buddhists is beyond a joke. What Asians does that leave? Leigh “tykes” Peter?
Also not reported was that as Tony Ward stumbled away half blinded after the attack, the attacker actually stalked him to dish out more. Only prompt action by a horrified conscientious police officer prevented a possible tragedy. Also not reported was the action of a Leyther in stepping forward to help the four men under attack. But when two white teenage girls racially abuse an immigrant – every gory detail is reported in the press, right down to the appearance of the perpetrators. Report all, or report none. But all we get is “Whitey did it”.
Comment 5 – C.Mather DELETED
The police seem to be taking this attack a lot more seriously than the hammer attack on a BNP member “because of his political viewpoint” perpetrated by a black man three weeks ago which could have resulted in his death. Punching anyone in the face is to be condemned, but a few slaps by a teenage girl hardly compares with an attack with a claw hammer. So a “crime” against an ethnic minority is more serious than attempted murder with a hammer on someone with whom you disagree? I do not condone ANY violence to anyone but the police do not take violence against us as seriously as when it is the other way round. I suppose it helps the police to keep up their tally of “racial” incidents and ticks a few more boxes and no doubt justify Elliot’s job. We really have sunk to the depths in this country.
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About here, after comment 5, I sent an email to Elliot Brown informing him of the fact of this debate that looked to me like it might get interesting. I was already hoping that Peter Franzen might involve himself in the debate, to the amusement of all, and further hoped that knowledge of what was going on here might tempt Elliot into the fray. No such luck: Peter is probably still feeling burned from his last encounter with ordinary Wigan people, as most likely, is Elliot (my God he was stupid wasn’t he!) after his last encounter. However, very shortly after that email to Elliot, the deletions started. Coincidence? You can decide that for yourselves – but you already know what he’s like.
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Comment 10 – Thejones
With all due respect to whomever, would you please just state why the farce of the deletions is occurring? At least state what the boundary for the debate IS, if nothing else. Who is Elliot?
Comment 12 – Morgan DELETED
Thejones
Elliot is Elliot Brown, Wigan and Leigh Hate Crime Coordinator.E-mail:
commsafety@wigan.gov.uk
He introduced himself to us on these pages a year or so ago. Wonder if his literacy has improved since then?
18 – sickoffitall
Why ask for readers to comment ??? Then when comments don’t meet with the "Mantra" of Political Correctness you erase them ??? I always thought that once we had free speech here, obviously not, as the "Stazi" decide on another part of our freedom's we are not allowed, why don’t we all just go the whole way and have the "Thought Police" come along and arrest anyone who has anything in their mind that goes against the "NuLiebour" way of thinking !!! Welcome to the EUSSR.....I await my impeding arrest
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The deletions were coming thick and fast now, and I missed those two grabs because I took time to write the above comment of my own, interrupting what had by now become a case of screengrabbing every comment as it appeared … before it was deleted. I am reasonably confident that at least at this early stage of the comment thread, and possibly for many of the later deletions, Elliot was the deleter. I sent him an email to try and tempt him into the conversation, but instead of that, the deletions started. The servers will show if I’m correct, if he chooses to take further action over that allegation. Bring it on Elliot. There is no such thing as anonymity on the internet.
Later, I was asked to post the deleted comments on the Wigan Patriot site for the benefit of those who had missed the earlier comments before the deletions started. This I did, but while doing it I missed out several more comments before they were deleted.
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21 – Sickoffitall DELETED
Notice how the reports always point out that a racist attack is committed by a person or persons of white origin ; if the other way around the attackers’ colour is NEVER mentioned … WHY? (honest question).
Again, I will see how long it takes before this comment is removed.
25 – Leviticus DELETED
PC McAllion stated “People cannot be allowed to get away with racism”. So will he be taking steps to tackle the racist Black Police Associatione whose constitution does not allow whites to become full members? Therefore denying them equal voting rights etc. Is that not discriminating because of race? And it has to be said – if the boot was on the other foot and two black lads/girls had attacked a white lad/girl would this be as vigorously investigated? I note the lack of comment from the former councillor from Golborne here. Talking of former councillors does anybody know what sentence ex-councillor Joe “The Paedo” Shaw was given this week?
26 – Morgan DELETED
WW and Sickoffitall
The bounds of this debate seem to be set by four criteria:
1 Darkie is utterly wonderful in all respects
2 Whitey is utterly despicable in every respect
3 Charles Mather and ...
4 ... I are both known BNPers.
An entirely black and white (unintentional, but I know of no other words to describe this) view of this kind of topic, with no room for shades of grey.
Oh – and a complete inability on the part of the Cretin Deleter to answer any of the questions raised. Just shut down all comment in case ordinary people see it, and start arriving at conclusions of their own. Can’t answer the message – kill it; or attempt to kill the messenger with a claw hammer.
Well Cretin Deleter – word in Labour and Tory circles now is that you have to engage with the BNP, argue with them (us, in my case) or lose the public by default because they are getting the message anyway via the interwebbythingy. So – debate? Or suppression like the once East Germany? And look what happened there …
27 – Wandering Wiganer
I can't speak for others, but i wasn't even looking in the general direction of the 'R' word. This is an extremely sensitive subject, and therefore the event that initiated this crime must be clearly identified to avoid misleading the public. I hope justice is done regardless.
30 – Morgan DELETED
Leviticus – I already told him that but was deleted. I explained the criteria for debate/deletion in my above deleted comment. One of them is that I’m a known BNPer. My words must not be listened to or read in case I pollute the minds of the general public. When censors act like this, they are not taking away my right to speak, they are taking away your right to hear and make your own mind up.
34 – Morgan DELETED
WEP don’t need to investigate – they know. It was my description of events three weeks ago when Tony Ward had his head opened up by a claw hammer-wielding racist Asian. An entirely accurate description accompanied by my question: why was this spat between a couple of teenage girls being treated as a race hate crime when that one wasn’t?
37 – Morgan DELETED
There is an additional factor to these deletions: they started very shortly after I emailed Elliot Brown giving details of this conversation in an attempt to draw him into this debate. I thought that as this sort of thing is his job, and as he is well paid for it with YOUR money, then he really should be here ripping me a new hole as he explained why I was wrong, and in the process winning the public over to his point of view.
So – intelligent enough to be a council officer on a salary I could only dream of (and my dreams are not that ambitious), but not intelligent enough to engage in debate with a thick knuckledragging racis fascist nazi. He loses by default – a “no show”.
Instead, he set about suppressing all debate.
38 – Wandering Wiganer
My comments were based around the syntax of the writer, not so much around the content. By not clearly stating a crucial part of this attack (the cause of the initial argument between the 2 parties), doubt has been cast as to whether the headline is correct and has caused an avoidable debate. I simply require clarification on this matter.
39 – Britishlady DELETED
“ ,,, why was this spat between a couple of teenage girls being treated as a race hate crime when that one wasn’t?”. Well said Morgan.
Come on, any answers? Anyone? Racism cuts both ways except if you’re white.
Watch me be deleted again.
48 – Socialist 1
Tiocfaidh ar la
53 – celedrialjoy DELETED
Oh dear, it seems I’ve joined the ranks of the deleted.
To the deleter: just because it’s easy to delete people’s thoughts on this website, it does not mean you can silence them!
You have by your actions made more people curious about what others have been saying on this subject. Tell me – are YOU a member of the BNP because you are doing a very good recruitment job for them.
54 – Socialist 1
The workers united will never be defeated, anti fascists united will never be defeated.
58 – Socialist 1
ha ha you lot are pathetic
60 – celedrialjoy
Tell the truth Mr deleter, youre just a lonely little person sat there feeling rather godly because you are able to hide behind a computer screen and delete without confrontation. You know there are people in the real world who can help you with your problems. Oh and by the way I have just visited the Wigan Patriot (for the first time) But it wont be the last! wonder how many more on these pages have visited the Patriots website because of you?
62 – Wandering Wiganer
Hi Socialist,What are your views on this story? After reading it, I am concerned that a label is being put on these people although it is not clear (or certainly hasn't been presented to the readers clearly) what caused this incident in the first place. No doubt elements of the R word were involved, and should be dealt with accordingly, but was this the issue that started the argument between the wanted party and the victim, or something else? This, I feel, is crucial. I know I can rely on some form of reasonable debate on this.
64 – Socialist 1
I don’t talk to Nazis
67 – Wandering Wiganer
Socialist - Nothing I have written on this thread, or any other for that matter, has been about anything the other people on here are talking about. I do not share any of their views, other than I agree with them that someone should not be deleting posts on this subject as it is confusing other viewers (you are the prime example, assuming that I am in league with others here). I am here as an individual, I could not care less about other people's political views. I SIMPLY WANT CLARIFICATION ON THIS STORY, and hoped people could see my point. You've disappointed me.
68 – Socialist 1
Was I talking to you?
69 – Wandering Wiganer
No one else asked you a question.
70 – Britishlady DELETED
Why does this spat between teenage girls receive more attention and newsprint than the attack by an Asian on a white person with a claw hammer? Please explain.
71 - celedrialjoy DELETED
It is NEW-liabour that are the racists
73 – Socialist 1
britishlady' your views are vile
76 – Britishlady
Why does this spat between teenage girls receive more attention and newsprint than the attack by an Asian on a white person with a claw hammer? Please explain.
A claw hammer is more lethal and dangerous surely?
Asking this question makes a person VILE?
77 – Socialist 1
'britishlady' your views on here over a considerable amount of time are vile. your views make decent people want to throw up.
81 – Socialist 1
am i bovvered?
82 – Socialist 1
celedrialjoy me thinks you tell porkie pies
83 – Morgan DELETED
To all those who requested I do a quick copy of the early comments here to get an idea of what all these deletions are about – it’s now up and is available on:
http://www.wiganpatriot.bogspot.com
As this gets deleted I’ll keep re-posting until I’m confident those interested have seen it. I’ll know this from the comments coming back from it onto here.
85 – Socialist 1
its a shame NAZIS keep coming on here
86 – Morgan
It's a shame censors keep coming on here. A censor is someone who thinks he knows better than you what you should know in order to avoid the risk of you making your own mind about something.
87 – Morgan
Define your terms, Socialist1 - what is a NAZI?Or aren't you that clever? Any good with a hammer?
88 – Morgan
As I recall from my history books, a NAZI was a kind of person who imposed censorship.
89 – Socialist 1
NAZI SCUM you know who you are
90 – Socialist 1
i dont talk to NAZI SCUM
92 – Morgan
And in case it passed you by - you already did.
93 – Socialist 1
YOU KNOW YOUR NAME THEN
94 – Morgan
By your own mysterious - known only to you - criteria/definition for/of NAZI SCUM, that is
98 – Socialist 1
paranoid ha ha your unbelievable with the sh@te you spout be gone DEVIL be gone!
99 – Morgan
Socialist1Comment 93 - you've yet again done what you said you never do.
Oh - and comment 98
108 – Socialist 1
workers united will NEVER be defeated.
109 – Whatnicknameisnotinusethen?
If worthwhile debate and query cannot be used on here because of the fascist nazi loony left scum’s puerile censorship then how about we start their game of deleting everything? Socialist1, you are a troll. Anyway, back to the time line of what happened in this text..."... involved in a argument with two teenage girls, one of whom turned violent and punched her in the face four or five times. The victim *WAS* then racially abused and attacked again before the pair got off the bus in Bickershaw just after the Tamar pub." So, the racial slurs occurred AFTER the victims face was punched up?? In my book physical pain and damage is worse than any mouthing off two chav slags. Methinks police need to get issues in order.
110 – Whatnicknameisnotinusethen?
Socialist1.. Do you have a job? I fear we cannot attack what doesn't exist. You write like an 11yr old troll.Workers united indeed. At least us workers, WORK! Or, more to the point. Those who have worked, done so over their working lifetimes. Did you know the Labour party's first name was the "Nationalists". Did you know Keir Hardy was an ardent patriot who fought to keep the cheap foreign labourers out of our door? Or are you so thick it won't sink in.
111 – Whatnicknameisnotinusethen?
Hey, while I'm on one. I've just looked up the Tamar pub. Its near Leigh. Its practically in the middle of nowhere. Now what percentage of the populace makes up 16 yr old females who live within that bus stop catchment area?The cops cannot use the local database to do a couple of house calls for ID purposes? I smell a rat here. Or, as I said before, they haven't the wit to follow a piece of string.
112 – Thejones
Morning all (for ME anyhow!).I've just caught up on the thread and have just been to Wigan blog patriot, thank you kindly I will keep a close eye on that one too from now on (if only the discussion had been allowed I wouldn't have known, that’s what I meant by suppression of debate being counter-productive).
113 – Morgan DELETED
Nickname – that is a VERY interesting comment.
That’s where we had our BNP meeting Thursday night. I’m not letting any secrets out here because Myra Hindley’s (one of the Leigh Labour councillors) husband was downstairs in the bar gobbing off to anyone who would listen that the nazi skinheaded thick BNP fascist racist thugs were upstairs. He didn’t have a gang of hammer wielding Asian thugs to hand so he didn’t try to disrupt us. Sensible. Not very brave – but sensible.
And no, we didn’t have any 16 yr-old girls at our meeting (a very good meeting it was too, as described by Dr Mather on the Wigan Patriot blog – much as I imagine the meetings of the very early Labour party were, when it was still a nationalist party whose leader, Keir Hardie, was “opposed to immigration as it tends to depress the wages of the working man”)
I suspect the police should be investigating the so-called “victim” with a possibility of charges for wasting police time.
116 – celedrialjoy
Well it would seem that the deleter’s actions have been counter productive.All I wanted to do was read a story that had been put out about a fight between three girls! But of course once I saw the deleter had been at work again I couldn’t resist. But I did glean information about the Patriot website and I found it quite interesting, so thanks.
121 – ytrewq DELETED
Thejones
Ref Mr Elliot. I can’t for the life of me be bothered doing any research into him. From comments posted three things spring to mind which may describe him:
1. Large mouth.
2. Long tongue
3. No b***s
I’m prepared to be persuade otherwise, so if anyone has anything positive to say about him, feel free to enlighten me.
I’m timing how long this post lasts.
123 – thejones DELETED
Ytrewq
Bizarrely enough, because of censorship on this comment thread yesterday, I discovered a website there (I’m many thousands of miles away), the “Wigan Patriot”, which had, in fact, recorded that comment thread and detailed the efforts of censorship at that time. It was rather good.
126 – sickoffitall
It seem's Mr "Stalin" has stopped me from posting comments as well !
127 – G.Chadwick
Morgan, do you think there is an ulterior motive by the reporter regarding this particular alleged "race hate incident? Especially as this report comes to our attention a week after it had supposedly happened and which interestingly coincides with reports coming out regarding Thursday evenings proceedings in Leigh, if you know what I mean?
128 – Morgan DELETED
Yes Gary, I do.
I think they are trying to link BNP activity with “Race Hate” crime. We had a meeting right where, next day, this incident was reported to have taken place.
You know the sort of argument – it goes like this … the activities of the BNP stirred up hate in two immature young girls … they couldn’t help it … it’s the BNP’s fault … ban them.
That’s assuming the whole alleged incident wasn’t in fact a set-up by the leftards. Would be good to learn the histories of these three girls. Are they long-time friends (or rivals)? Does any of the three have any connection with the Labour party? Or any others of the people with an irrational hatred towards the BNP.
But it does look to me like some sort of set-up. Remember – Myra Hindley’s husband was downstairs in the bar spouting of to anyone and everyone about the nazi skinheaded BNP fascist racist knuckle-dragging bootboys being upstairs. And we already know that there are concerted efforts to deny us venues for meetings.
Where was our meeting Thursday? Where was this offence reported to have taken place Friday?
I’m not normally given to conspiracy theories, but in this case …..
131 – thejones
anthony wareing
Your point may have merit and no, it is not acceptable to abuse or assault ANYONE (but I took the view right at the start, now deleted, that either the race of the perpetrators and victims should be revealed in EVERY case or NOT AT ALL).However, there are now grounds to doubt whether the story is about the three girls at all and if not then what is the motive? (and no, I am not now, nor ever have been a member, of the bnp and I'm not an activist of any sort etc etc) which then requires an ongoing debate as to the degree of honesty/moral courage exhibited by any so called free press, not just THIS one. I am quite convinced that the ideology this media represents will find the honest and genuine expression of ideas wholly unacceptable and COMPLETELY remove all evidence that we even had this discussion
134 – Anthony wareing
"a young woman can be abused and attacked JUST because of the colour of her skin".Is there any proof that this is true?If she was overweight & they mentioned this to her, would the attack have been size-ist (however you spell that) "JUST because of the size of her body"?I feel sorry for the 19 year old, because everyone (including me) seems to be on the side of the two 16 year olds, I don't know what went on so I can't really comment on the attack, maybe she was equally to blame, maybe she's 100% a victim, unfortunately the police & the media have decided to use her attack for their own ends which makes other people naturally take the opposite viewpoint, regardless of the actual events, like I said before its not about her anymore it's just politics. If it wasn't for George Orwell we'd be further along the road to big brother & the thought police than we are now, but we still have to be on our guard, & censorship is the one of their weapons.
139 – Morgan
Given the tactics that it has recently been discovered are being used by the Labour party against the Tories (see today's Times and News of the World), what on Earth can we expect Labour to be using against the BNP? This alleged bus incident might be only the beginning .. what will be next?Hammer attack, alleged racist incident they are apparently trying to link to the BNP, ... what next? Given the stories coming out of Downing Street today, wouldn't put anything at all past them.
141 – Morgan
A race hate attack? Hmmmm - we've all been young haven't we. Don't teenage girls have spats? Don't they hold grudges (oh boy - do they ever)? Don't they lash out at each other - physically and verbally - and with the most stinging words they can think of at the time? And how much physical damage does a girlie hit do (I have felt it from my wife - they really don't know how to hit properly)? And what's it all usually over? Yup - boys. And all this has been conflated into a suggested race hate attack, apparently - on the face of it - as a way to attack the BNP. Unfortunately for Labour - the timings are all wrong when looked at closely.How much of your money is that constable being paid - and the "race hate" hierarchy he answers to? YOUR money remember.
142 – Britishlady DELETED
Labour is mobilizing at local level wherever there is a sign of heavy BNP activity. National funding has been provided for “Stop the BNP2 leaflets, and Labour uses a different slogan – “Fairness not Fear” rather than its national theme of “Winning the Fight for Britain’s Future”.
It is also linking up with anti-fascist groups such as Searchlight and sending anti-BNP battlebuses into areas targeted by the group.
So can we expect more of what happened in Leigh 13/03/2009 when Tony Ward was attacked by a gang of thugs hiding behind the title of SWP, Searchlight, etc – all funded and supported by this Labour government.?
Is this what this country has been reduced to? Government backed thugs bussed in like flying pickets to oppress the people and a legitimate, legal, political party, by violent means?
The full list of Searchlight and SWP supporters from all parties (including David Cameron) is listed on the BNP website – a frightening list of people opposed to democracy.
The people must use their vote before it is too late.
143 – thejones
BritishladyIndeed and in my case I really have never been (hitherto) a 'politically driven' individual BUT I have had a sense if 'unease' in the back of my mind for many years without being able to articulate this unease.Then, having had enough of the U.K. for a number of reasons I left and at this point have no intention of ever returning. To get to my point, having been away for a few years I returned and was quite stunned at the level of change that I saw and was quite frightened for the longer term (I would add that the July 7 bombers was a turning point for me ) given, in my own case, that almost my entire family live in Britain (going back to approximately the ice-age!). I even saw fit to resolve to resist the change I mention above as best I could. The only political party that seems to address the concerns I allude to ARE the BNP. At this point I need to add that I am not, in any way, a 'radical' and am most certainly not a thug or knuckle-dragger, in fact, I couldn't be more diametrically evolved and have discovered very very many who are similar and I HAVE made a point of making myself aware of what’s going on.This being the case the responses that I see from various quarters to what is a wholly legal political party is, at best, amusing and at worst dangerous in principle.(and in FACT when hammers are used). There are, undoubtedly, very worrying forces at work in the U.K. and I truly don't see it ending peacefully. So to second your point it indeed is more important for people to vote now than in recent decades because time really is getting short at this point.
144 – Leviticus
thanks britishlady, we all know about the so called 'respectable' searchlight organisation and when you turn the spotlight onto the searchlight they aren't as respectable as they are purported to be no doubt the anti free speech brigade will delete this but if anybody is in any doubt they should look here : www.searchlightexposed.com
145 – Britishlady DELETED
I would ask why so many “Race Attacks” get so much press coverage yet others receive practically none, an example being the murder of Kris Donald. I bet 90% of you have never heard of this young man – it never got much publicity.
Google – Kris Donald – and read about just one of hundreds of ignored murders.
The BNP is labeled “Far Right” because it tells the truth, and the powers-that-be do not want the truth told.
Make your own mind up.
147 – Leviticus
thejones
'You do realise don't you Britishlady that this entire comment thread will be 'expunged' from the record as soon as this journals editorial staff get back to work? One of those disturbing features I've noted.'
One can almost see them now, in the office saying 'oh my god they are speaking the truth, quick delete all comments because we cannot allow it to happen' because that is effectively what they are doing when they delete all posts and close the debate because they don't agree with what is being said. It makes you wonder what problem they have with the truth and freedom of speech
148 – thejones
Britishlady
Kriss Donald indeed. The reading of the events are too horrific to contemplate for any length of time. A clear example of a race hate crime....BURIED.....Stephen Laurence. Tragic yes. To be condemned yes. Perpetrators not brought to satisfactory justice, unfortunately not. But to elevate the case to one of sainthood and then do a Witchfinder General on almost every institution of state whilst ignoring the horror of Kriss Donald....very wrong. The balance sheet has yet to be put right.
leviticus
Indeed, would be nice to have a camera on the wall in the office (mind you, as Stalinist as they are it's perfectly possible that they DO just to keep an eye on the staff!?)Make yourself familiar with Professor Noam Chomsky: 'They will either ignore you, shoot you or assassinate your character (common one that, just ask messrs Cameron and Osborne)'The first seems to be firmly in operation with commentators here.
149 – sickoffitall
Free speech disappeared along with freedom of thought etc when the "NuLiabour" regime came to power and made it a crime to be patriotic to your country (ie Britain), the very word "Patriotism" sends the hand wringing Leftie "Traitor's" in Troughminster and its blind followers into a wild frenzy, and will make every effort possible to stifle anything that goes against the Mantra of "Nuliabour"!Anyone who is the slightest Patriotic must be SILENCED at any cost.
151 - Britishlady DELETED
Searchlight is gross. Take a look at SWP communist hypocrite Weyman Bennet.
Weyman Bennet, joint national secretary of UAF, recently wrote an article on the BNP’s good chance of success at the European Elections in June. Bennet declared: “The British National Party is aiming to win seats in the European parliament in June. The Nazis believe they have the wind in their sails following the walkouts at the Lindsey oil refinery”
Typically, the article is full of smears, for example making the claim that party chairman Nick Griffin has been a member of “Nazi organizations for three decades”. If they consider the BNP as such, then maybe a political lieracy course would be beneficial.
Bennet also describes the BNP as “Nazis” in eight out of the eighteen paragraphs, clearly a big fan of the Big Lie propaganda technique, which generally involves telling a very big lie, very often, until it is believed.
Nearly all the parties of various communist leanings will be aiming to stem the electorate’s tide of anger over the last six decades of national decline under the “mainstream” parties.
The double hypocrisy of the far left is startling: they do not even believe in democracy, admitting themselves that their goal of international socialism (and communism) cannot be achieved at the ballot box. For the time being they are content to fight a party that isn’t responsible for any of the mess we’re in, and the only party that offers any meaningful alternative.
In January, during the latest Israel Gaza conflict, Weekly Worker reported that Bennet was overheard saying: Jews “ should go back to where they came from … New York or wherever”.
Members of his far Left Socialist Workers Party were also chanting “We are Hezbollah” when protesting over Israel’s retaliation against the terrorist group in 2006.
It is indeed very strange that prominent members of the hardcore Left opposes virtually everything Israel does yet label the BNP as Nazis.
152 – Britishlady DELETED
The BNP has never held a protest against Israel defending its people and land. Maybe people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
It just shows what a cancer to this country these outfits are.
153 – Morgan DELETED
Britishlady – and everyone:
Imagine if it was BNPers caught doing this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169642/fourteen-council-staff-suspended-circulating-anti-semitic-joke-email.html
154 – Socialist 1
The workers united will never be defeated
155 – Lomra Greener
Let me explain the definition of socialism to you.Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under socialism, it's the other way round.Now get your self all excited while you work that out.
158 – Socialist 1
i see nazis have appeared yet again
159 – Lomra Greener
S1, you call yourself a socialist, NAZI is a contraction of national socialist (as spelled in German).I see you really are a socialist, as defined above and by the failed USSR. Your attitude seems to be ‘you can have any opinion you want, or say what you want, so long as it is exactly what I want it to be’.
162 – Socialist 1
What is the matter. Do you not like the word Nazi? Perhaps Scum should be attached to it?
163 – celedrialjoy
The thing that is really scary is the number of high ranking politicians who back these thugs David Cameron for one. If the leader of one of the main political parties has put his name to backing these criminals just how far are the main parties prepared to go to protect their places at the trough.
164 – Morgan
Come on then S1 - educate us.Define 'Nazi'.Translated from the original German it comes out as "National Socialist German Workers Party". But what do YOU mean by it?
167 – sickoffitall
I'm afraid the old mantra of name calling ie "Nazi" has worn very thin with the people of Britain, take a look at the latest media headlines and listen to the National news on tv and radio, the Harpies in power have done enough of that to make the population sit up and realise that name calling / spin / lies and treachery are the only thing these clowns have left in their armoury, NOTHING they say or do now will have any affect whatsoever to make the populous change their minds to how slippery and slimy these overpaid self serving parasites in "Troughminster" will go to cling on to their jobs, to be quite honest, firing off the "Nazi" word non stop at someone only shows that it's the desperation that certain people will go to (ie the Liarbour party etc) knowing they are "Washed up".
168- Socialist 1
I think NAZI SCUM is enough said. If the hat fits...
170 – Morgan
All well and good S1, but if we don't know what Nazi means you may as well be shouting Squibbledork Scum at us for all the sense it makes. What does it MEAN? Do explain to stupid unknowing us.
172 – Morgan
We ignoramuses haven't had the privelege of your extensive in-depth Higher Education in political philosophy. So please, tell us: what exactly does Nazi mean?
173 – Morgan
You there S1? We are waiting here with bated breath for you to explain to us your insights and understanding of the concept of Nazi (Scum).You there S1? S1? Come in S1.
179 – Morgan
Anyway, let's get back on topic shall we? Why is a spat between three teenage girls a "racist hate crime" because a white girl lashed out and a non-white got hit, yet an attack by an Asian with a hammer (a gang of some 30 Asians actually, attacking four white men) injuring a white man with scars he'll never lose not a "race hate crime"? The definition of a "race hate crime" is that the victim, or someone else, perceives it to be racist. Well I for one perceive the Leigh hammer attack to be racist. By definition that makes it racist - Asian on White.
181 – sickoffitall
Correct, but we are not allowed to comment on ANYTHING "Non White" WHY ???
183 – sickoffitall
This was why this debate started.
185 – Morgan
Sickofitall
That is a big big question. Perhaps Ell ...er ... S1 might care to answer it?
186 – Morgan
????? S1 ... are you ... er ... mentally disturbed?
188 – sickoffitall
Will I now be called "Nazi scum" purely because i have asked a legitimate question that i'm SURE lot's of reader's to this site are still wanting to know?
193 – Morgan
Why is a spat between three teenage girls a "racist hate crime" because a white girl lashed out and a non-white got hit, yet an attack by an Asian with a hammer (a gang of some 30 Asians actually, attacking four white men)injuring a white man with scars he'll never lose not a "race hate crime"?
194 – sickoffitall
Morgan, i'm afraid that the answer to that question (193) will never be allowed to be published.
198 – Socialist 1
I have just thrown my evening meal up!
200 – Socialist 1
I am sure the Wigan people will rally around. They are intelligent people up there. They always come out for us.
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Damn!! I missed a trick there. Read that again. Socialist 1 is NOT a Wiganer, and not even a Northerner. “ … up there …” – so he comes in from down south and disrupts our debate here in Wigan. Now that I have a valid reason for doing so, I’m going to email the editor on Monday and see if I can’t get this little troll banned from commenting and banned from deleting. It isn’t just this thread – he pops up on loads of threads and disrupts. Southerners interfering in Northern concerns. So going back over these threads in detail is useful after all – learned new hard information there. Wonder how many other local newspapers he does it to? Is he paid by someone – a Union, Labour party – whatever – to do this as a full-time job: disrupt inconvenient comment threads wherever he finds them? Anyone out there with the on-line investigatory skills to find out? If so – please get cracking on it. The Johnston Press is a big organization and has local newspapers all over the country – register for commenting in one and you are registered for commenting (and deleting) in all. I already know this from experience of commenting in other local papers belonging to Johnston. I know where to get a list of all of the group’s papers … Anyone care to take the job on? I’ve a few ideas how to get started. Email me. I don’t have the time to get into it right now, with the June election coming up – lots to do. I would guess that if he is doing this systematically across the group, then any one editor can remove his rights from right across the network – including stopping him re-registering with a new throwaway Hotmail account and username. Yes – I know that one – I’ve had five different accounts and usernames with the Guardian: I keep getting banned. Wonder why hahahahaha?
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202 – Morgan
S1 - comment 198 ... now eat it up again like the good doggie you are.
205 – Morgan
S1
Was I Nazi Scum for all those years when I was a member of the Labour party? Did I just magically become one when I left? Or did I magically become one when I joined the BNP? Trying to work out what Nazi Scum is. Because I think I'm the same bloke as I was at those times.
209 – Socialist 1
Decent people know what you are about. You crawl from under your stones and blame others. it has happened throughout history. You spy a chance to spread your vileness discrimination. As i said in a past post.BE GONE!!!!!
211 – Morgan
We will be gone S1 - in June to Brussels, and six-seven years from now, to Downing Street.
215 – Morgan
National SOCIALIST German WORKERS PARTY.
217 – Socialist 1
ha ha thats a bit rich bl! this from a party that wants to annihilate people,has politics of hate,john laidlaw who went on a shooting spree on the underground and wanted to kill black people? ring any bells?
219 – Socialist 1
robert Cottage who was 3 times bnp candidate, jailed in 2007 for stockpiling chemicals,bomb making equipment and a rocket launcher?
221 – Socialist 1
David Copeland who NAIL BOMBED a London pub and KILLED 3 people?
222 – Britishlady
WHY WHY WHY
Why is a spat between three teenage girls a "racist hate crime" because a white girl lashed out and a non-white got hit, yet an attack by an Asian with a hammer (a gang of some 30 Asians actually, attacking four white men)injuring a white man with scars he'll never lose not a "race hate crime"? TOO difficult to answer ? Or do you have none.....
223 – Morgan
Laidlaw + Cottage + Copeland
Total Deaths - three
Injured - several tens
Asian underground/bus bombers on 7/7/05
Total deaths - 52
Injured - several hundred.
224 – sickoffitall
Tony Bliar / Gordon Brown 1997 - 2009.....Millions of honest decent hardworking men,women and children.....lives ruined.
225 – Morgan
Too imprecise there - MUSLIM underground/bus bombers
238 – Morgan
Has S1 actually got a mind? Or is it just a spur off some collective hive mind?
244 – Morgan
I want to give some credit to the editorial team on Wigan Today.I started today expecting the entire thread to be removed as if it never existed, and have been pleasantly surprised. Thank you Mr Editor sir - I'll still be blogging this because of all the user-deletions ... but I wont be taking a poke at you.
245 – celedrialjoy
Just been catching up on the comments, so far S1 is on a massive losing streak in getting his point across, actually its hard to see through his manic posts to see what his point is! From what I can make out anyone who disagrees with anything he says is a racist/nazi!!!!Well correct me if I am wrong but I thought it was the nazis that did not allow free speech or debate. Come on S1, you cannot go around saying that an attack on a coloured girl by a white girl IS racist, and an attack on four white men by 30+ Asians in Leigh isn’t! If you are going to label people racists then at least start from an even point of view.
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I think it’s pretty well established now that S1 is down South somewhere, whereas we know Elliot is here in Wigan. Established the rough location (South) of S1 earlier on through a slip of his tongue.
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248 – Socialist 1
all this thinking morgan its not good for you. be gone!
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Here’s a blunt honest assessment – S1 is far far cleverer than we give him credit for … well, he at least has a Robber’s Dog cunning anyway, as thejones put it earlier, which can be even more effective for reasons I wont divulge to avoid giving him an advantage … and he has quite clearly won this entire exchange – the entire thread. Lost every battle, but quite categorically won the war. It is painful for me to say that – but if our Party’s claim to blunt honesty is to be anything more than a sharp soundbite, we have to apply it to ourselves individually too. I consider we lost this one and we have lessons to learn for future comment wars, of which there will undoubtedly be many, and in many places not just Wigan Today. Politics isn’t ending any time soon.
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250 – Morgan
Apparently, bus stops and telephone boxes are hot spots for racist incidents.How much does Wigan Council Tax payers pay Elliot?
257 – Socialist 1
tell you what, i dont really want anymore contact with nazi scum, your views are vile, i will come on here and keep giving the facts out to decent people, as i have said before, BE GONE you make me puke!!!
260 – Socialist 1
you also presume im a man, your sexist too! yuk!
262 – Morgan
S1 - I'd never accuse you of being a MAN!
269 – Leviticus
post 257 socialist1,14/04/2009 22:31:53 as i thought, tell you what, i dont really want anymore contact with nazi scum, your views are vile, i will come on here and keep giving the facts out to decent people, as i have said before, BE GONE you make me puke!!!
socialist 1
Or should i call you elliot? What facts are they? All i can see coming from you is puerile insults and no attempt to debate anything with facts. Is that because your noo labour paymasters have forbidden you to comment after your outrageous 'inbred' slurs about the people of this town?
283 – Socialist 1
dosent take much to wind up a NAZI.
NAZI SCUM sums it up sooooooo perfectly
292 – Morgan DELETED
Are these people capable of ever learning? All deleted posts from the past few pages have said the same thing. This constant re-posting is because this is a freedom of speech issue: not my freedom to speak, but others' to listen.
This is American - but decribes exactly what's happening here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s
... as S1 goes rooting through its toolbox for a suitable accessory to wear/carry to a political meeting ... analyse this picture. Carefully note the numbers accompanying each date, and read in chronological order (sorry about the multi-syllable words S1) and think of the future.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oOZT0MnFY50/SeV-fhlG8MI/AAAAAAAAAzY/ovSeNnwPpAE/s1600-h/weyman-vote.jpg
Now posted on the Wigan Patriot blog - with conventional graphs of the same data.
http://www.wiganpatriot.blogspot.com/
People notice you know - it's not us that wants to stop ordinary folk reading all points of view so they can make their own minds up - it's the leftards that do that. People then want all the more to know what WE are saying. They already know what YOU are saying because they've been getting nothing else for years. Forbidden fruit always tastes sweeter
Had you left the original post in place it would now be lost in the comment back-pages. By playing these games all you are doing is keeping it up front, which suits me - more people get to read it. That's the trouble with people like you: you are so ideologically hidebound that you don't think, you only feel (hate). Just not good enough in the modern world. If you want to win, you have to actually argue your point. You prefer censorship - whether with a keyboard or a hammer - all the same to you.
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That is not an exact rendition of comment 292. That’s because I had decided that I would re-post every deleted comment. I very soon learned that if a comment is exactly identical to a previous comment then the server filters pick up on it and class it as spam, and so block it. So to get the comment in again you have to make some small change or other, or add or take away, for it to be accepted. But a couple of comments from now you will see the start of a marathon session of the deleter taking this comment down, and me immediately putting it back up again – but with a slight change each time. A lot – some 49 – of changes happened before reaching this exact wording, so it’s not quite the original. I do have all the original screen grabs, comment by comment – but I don’t think you want to see the same thing 49. It all starts a couple of comments from now – and I won that particular battle of attrition. He gave up taking them down before I gave up re-posting them. 3 hours around midnight one night, then continued the following afternoon. I got it off to a fine art – it takes six-seven minutes to remove a comment, but I could get it back up in 15 seconds once I’d done it a couple of times. So, six to seven minutes up, 15 seconds down. Advantage to me. It starts soon.
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293 – Socialist 1
the futures RED
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The following comments were copies of 292 above – I put ‘em up, he took ‘em down, I put ‘em back up again – for several hours.
295, 296, 297, 298, 299, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313. 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319. 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 332, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 343, 344, at this point, a little extra conversation joined in, with me re-posting the above at various points interspersed in that conversation – ALL DELETED
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349 – Socialist 1
Tiocfaidh ar la!
350 – Morgan
Err - S1, according to the numbers OURS will, not yours. You've had yours and made a right mess of it.
359 – Leviticus
Tiocfaidh ar la - our day will come , the motto of the I.R.A. showing your true colours now Socialist 1,
360 – Socialist 1
ha ha im sure you know better than me.wooo wooo
361 – Morgan
Tiocfaidh ar la = Our day will come.Actually, it's been and gone in loads of places - and everywhere it went it made a tyrannical mess and the people were so happy once they 'persuaded' it to be gone.
365 – Morgan
Are these people capable of ever learning? All deleted posts from the past few pages have said the same thing. This constant re-posting is because this is a freedom of speech issue: not my freedom to speak, but others' to listen.This is American - but decribes exactly what's happening here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s
... as S1 goes rooting through its toolbox for a suitable accessory to wear/carry to a political meeting ... analyse this picture. Carefully note the numbers accompanying each date, and read in chronological order (sorry about the multi-syllable words) and think of the future. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oOZT0MnFY50/SeV-fhlG8MI/AAAAAAAAAzY/ovSeNnwPpAE/s1600-h/weyman-vote.jpg
Now posted on the Wigan Patriot blog - with conventional graphs of the same data. http://www.wiganpatriot.blogspot.com/
Readers do notice you know - it's not us that wants to stop ordinary folk having access to all points of view so they can make their own minds up - it's the leftards that do that. People then want all the more to know what WE are saying. They already know what YOU are saying because they've been getting nothing else for years. Forbidden fruit always tastes sweeterHad you left the original post in place it would now be lost in the comment back-pages. By playing these games all you are doing is keeping it up front, which suits me - more people get to read it. That's the trouble with people like you: you are so ideologically hidebound that you don't think, you only feel (hate). Just not good enough in the modern world. If you want to win, you have to actually argue your point. You prefer censorship - whether with a keyboard or a hammer - all the same to you.
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366 – celedrialjoy
Just got home from work , been telling everyone about whats been happening on here and how people are not being allowed to debate. Been telling everyone about ELLIOT BROWN and S1. People could not believe it when I told them what OUR race hate co-ordinator had said about US. I think WEP website is going to get quite a few more hits tonight.
369 – Socialist 1
ha ha you work together. ha ha you been phoning each other with what to say ha ha ha ha. you are pathetic
370 – Morgan
Caught - yes S1, we confess, it's all a conspiracy to drive you insane. And we have been wonderfully successful haven't we. Loon.
371 – Socialist 1
well thats not nice captain is it. and heres us having some fun, winding you up for days and you biting. we have had a really good belly laugh ha ha ha see you around soon ha ha ha i have got some champagne in the fridge mmmmm here to... er not you NAZIS
372 – Morgan
Champagne Socialist eh. Yes, a lot of them around these days."The workers united" indeed.
378 – whatnicknameisnotinusethen
Regarding Nazi Scum1 and his champagne in the fridge.. He claims he doesn't drink????Back to the subject matter....If the police couldn't find out who these girls were by now, then most likely they do not exist. [almost two weeks now since the original alleged incident - Morg]
379 – Britishlady
whatnicknameisnotinusethen ?
Well three or four other people on the bus ?
Plus the Driver, plus more than likely CCTV,
I agree, then most likely they do not exist.
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That was the end of the conversation. Our opponents had left by now, with the story itself having moved back three pages on the Wigan Today website, so very unlikely to be read by new people. We may have won the arguments, and we may have arrived at a satisfactory final conclusion, BUT WE LOST! “SHUT UP” WON.
Folks – we have to analyse this conversation and learn lessons to stop ourselves being so comprehensively beaten in the future. I think the key to it will be in persuading the editor to remove that – effectively – automatic delete function. How likely is that?
Leftards – SHUT UP
Morg – NO!
But through the newspaper’s indulgence of shut-uppery with that delete function, they shut us up anyway just until the story has moved so far back no one new will bother reading it.
Morg
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http://www.wigantoday.net/wigannews/Girls-in-race-hate-attack.5161832.jp
However, the “Report Unsuitable” button for comments is too easily abused. I have tested it: click on ‘Report Unsuitable’, and a window appears; write in email address, then write in the appropriate space the reason the comment is unsuitable. Click submit. However, when I tested it I wrote random words in the reasons box … and five minutes later the comment was deleted anyway (I deleted a nonsense comment I had made especially for this test). This effectively gives readers the absolute power of censorship. In other words the reader can say “I don’t like you saying that, and I don’t want anyone else to read it, so SHUT UP!” … comment deleted.
“SHUT UP!” has been a common tactic for lefties over many years. They have developed many ways of saying it. Say or write something they don’t want anyone else to hear (can’t have people hearing all views and making their own minds up can we now) and they scream “Racist!”, “Nazi!, “Fascist!”, “Islamophobe!”, “Sexist!” … and numerous other words that all come down to saying the same thing: “SHUT UP!”. Ask an awkward question and they say “Shut up!”, point out an inconsistency – “Shut up”, why are we in the EU – “Shut up!” … and on and on it goes. They KNOW they have no answers that would be acceptable to the British people so away they go: “Shut Up!”.
The video linked to below says it all far better than I can. It is an American speaking – mostly about America – and there’s much in the detail that we can quibble with; however, just listen to the basic process being described, apply it to what goes on in this country from your own experience, and it will immediately strike a chord with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s
So, what’s all this got to do with a story in our local Wigan newspaper? First thing you must do is go to the above newspaper story link, then work your way through the comments one page at a time. Don’t bother reading the comments (yet) – just go through a page at a time – all the pages – and note the comment deletions. Several consecutive whole pages of deletions in one case – five or six pages (that particular episode was for just one comment of mine – he kept deleting it, I kept re-posting. Several hours of doing nothing else). Be patient and work your way through to the end – not reading, but just noting the deletions. You’re not losing anything because the entire conversation follows shortly in easily readable form (I’m typing them all out). The reason I want you to do that is so that you can see “SHUT UP!” in action.
Well I for one will NOT shut up. I have things to say – I’ll say them. I have questions to ask – I’ll ask them. Shut me up by deleting my writing – I’ll write it again. They don’t want to have to answer our questions and explain our observations – because they daren’t – so look – “JUST SHUT UP!”. And this isn’t just the SWP/UAF/Searchlight/HnotH etc – it extends right through our society from top to bottom and side to side, it takes in politics, the media, the entire Political Correctness culture.
So no, I wont shut up. What are you going to do about it pal? I’ve had enough of Shut Uppery.
And do note that it was NOT the Wigan Today editorial team that did this – it was leftard readers. They know they can’t stop us speaking, but that’s not really their intention: their intention is to stop ordinary people in large numbers from hearing. Oh no – dangerous. Good Lord – people might start making their own minds up if they could hear what non-leftards had to say, and making their minds up in ways the leftards don’t like. Get enough people doing that and voting behaviour might change, and THEN where are the leftards? Some readers – and I am inclined to believe this myself because of the pattern of events (described shortly) think Elliot Brown was the – or at least a – major deleter. Anyhow, read and make your own minds up. I have all that follows in screengrab form (for legal back-up if necessary), but all the deletions would make it to confusing to follow so for this post I’ve typed it out.
We were comprehensively defeated in this exchange – we won every battle, reached a satisfactory conclusion, but Shut-uppery won the war. There are lessons to be learned here. Please: take all the dreary time it takes to read the entire conversation here:
http://sirhenrymorgan.blogspot.com/2009/04/shut-uppery-in-action.html
Please go read it all, and then email me with any insights you might have regarding lessons. You’ll be surprised at how even trivial stuff gets deleted just to break up the thread.
The “Sir Henry Morgan” website is a just a site I use to park stuff.
The version of the conversation posted here is heavily edited down from nearly a week’s worth of conversation. It makes it look like we might have won – but we didn’t – “SHUT UP” won – by first diverting the thread away from discussion of the primary subject into politics and then into discussion of censorship. Essentially we were out-lasted because WE had a time limit to maintain public interest, but Shut-uppery didn’t. Insights – PLEASE!
COMMENTS; AND SOME COMMENTARY ON THOSE COMMENTS (any correction of typos, and any emphases, are mine). I have the original screengrabs for everything here. The actual conversation was spread over almost an entire week.
Comment 1 – Thejones DELETED
Why is the race of the perpetrators shown in the article?
Comment 2 – sickofitall DELETED
Thejones.
Simple, because it is only a racist attack if the perpetrators are white! Let’s see how long this stays on before the politically correct remove my reply.
Comment 3 – Thejones
My point (?concern) actually lies in the realm of fair 'equivalence'. My feelings are that it should ALWAYS be revealed or NEVER. For the record the perpetrators of this attack (which I condemn unreservedly) have not yet been charged with a 'race hate' crime so perhaps a little...premature? I have truly only just started to examine these things with a more critical eye in recent times especially with an eye on where to cast my vote in the EU elections (and NO, I have NEVER voted for the BNP and frankly, my inclination is to vote for Cameron but I'm not happy there either!).I am assuming your thesis can be proven? Ref free expression being 'moderated' away I have experience within this very journal of just such matters. Too complex to explain. I gave up with my repeated complaints to the editor. Hello by the way.
Comment 4 – Morgan DELETED
Like, for instance, neither this paper nor Peter Franzen saw fit to mention that though this wasn’t the case for all the protesters – ALL of those that attacked the four BNP members and their Landrover in Leigh three weeks ago with claw hammers (using the claw bit to hit Tony Ward in the head) and axes were Asian. ALL!Nobody in the BNP thinks these were peaceful Hindus; and we think such a cowardly attack would be beneath the warrior Sikhs; and thinking it might have been Buddhists is beyond a joke. What Asians does that leave? Leigh “tykes” Peter?
Also not reported was that as Tony Ward stumbled away half blinded after the attack, the attacker actually stalked him to dish out more. Only prompt action by a horrified conscientious police officer prevented a possible tragedy. Also not reported was the action of a Leyther in stepping forward to help the four men under attack. But when two white teenage girls racially abuse an immigrant – every gory detail is reported in the press, right down to the appearance of the perpetrators. Report all, or report none. But all we get is “Whitey did it”.
Comment 5 – C.Mather DELETED
The police seem to be taking this attack a lot more seriously than the hammer attack on a BNP member “because of his political viewpoint” perpetrated by a black man three weeks ago which could have resulted in his death. Punching anyone in the face is to be condemned, but a few slaps by a teenage girl hardly compares with an attack with a claw hammer. So a “crime” against an ethnic minority is more serious than attempted murder with a hammer on someone with whom you disagree? I do not condone ANY violence to anyone but the police do not take violence against us as seriously as when it is the other way round. I suppose it helps the police to keep up their tally of “racial” incidents and ticks a few more boxes and no doubt justify Elliot’s job. We really have sunk to the depths in this country.
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About here, after comment 5, I sent an email to Elliot Brown informing him of the fact of this debate that looked to me like it might get interesting. I was already hoping that Peter Franzen might involve himself in the debate, to the amusement of all, and further hoped that knowledge of what was going on here might tempt Elliot into the fray. No such luck: Peter is probably still feeling burned from his last encounter with ordinary Wigan people, as most likely, is Elliot (my God he was stupid wasn’t he!) after his last encounter. However, very shortly after that email to Elliot, the deletions started. Coincidence? You can decide that for yourselves – but you already know what he’s like.
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Comment 10 – Thejones
With all due respect to whomever, would you please just state why the farce of the deletions is occurring? At least state what the boundary for the debate IS, if nothing else. Who is Elliot?
Comment 12 – Morgan DELETED
Thejones
Elliot is Elliot Brown, Wigan and Leigh Hate Crime Coordinator.E-mail:
commsafety@wigan.gov.uk
He introduced himself to us on these pages a year or so ago. Wonder if his literacy has improved since then?
18 – sickoffitall
Why ask for readers to comment ??? Then when comments don’t meet with the "Mantra" of Political Correctness you erase them ??? I always thought that once we had free speech here, obviously not, as the "Stazi" decide on another part of our freedom's we are not allowed, why don’t we all just go the whole way and have the "Thought Police" come along and arrest anyone who has anything in their mind that goes against the "NuLiebour" way of thinking !!! Welcome to the EUSSR.....I await my impeding arrest
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The deletions were coming thick and fast now, and I missed those two grabs because I took time to write the above comment of my own, interrupting what had by now become a case of screengrabbing every comment as it appeared … before it was deleted. I am reasonably confident that at least at this early stage of the comment thread, and possibly for many of the later deletions, Elliot was the deleter. I sent him an email to try and tempt him into the conversation, but instead of that, the deletions started. The servers will show if I’m correct, if he chooses to take further action over that allegation. Bring it on Elliot. There is no such thing as anonymity on the internet.
Later, I was asked to post the deleted comments on the Wigan Patriot site for the benefit of those who had missed the earlier comments before the deletions started. This I did, but while doing it I missed out several more comments before they were deleted.
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21 – Sickoffitall DELETED
Notice how the reports always point out that a racist attack is committed by a person or persons of white origin ; if the other way around the attackers’ colour is NEVER mentioned … WHY? (honest question).
Again, I will see how long it takes before this comment is removed.
25 – Leviticus DELETED
PC McAllion stated “People cannot be allowed to get away with racism”. So will he be taking steps to tackle the racist Black Police Associatione whose constitution does not allow whites to become full members? Therefore denying them equal voting rights etc. Is that not discriminating because of race? And it has to be said – if the boot was on the other foot and two black lads/girls had attacked a white lad/girl would this be as vigorously investigated? I note the lack of comment from the former councillor from Golborne here. Talking of former councillors does anybody know what sentence ex-councillor Joe “The Paedo” Shaw was given this week?
26 – Morgan DELETED
WW and Sickoffitall
The bounds of this debate seem to be set by four criteria:
1 Darkie is utterly wonderful in all respects
2 Whitey is utterly despicable in every respect
3 Charles Mather and ...
4 ... I are both known BNPers.
An entirely black and white (unintentional, but I know of no other words to describe this) view of this kind of topic, with no room for shades of grey.
Oh – and a complete inability on the part of the Cretin Deleter to answer any of the questions raised. Just shut down all comment in case ordinary people see it, and start arriving at conclusions of their own. Can’t answer the message – kill it; or attempt to kill the messenger with a claw hammer.
Well Cretin Deleter – word in Labour and Tory circles now is that you have to engage with the BNP, argue with them (us, in my case) or lose the public by default because they are getting the message anyway via the interwebbythingy. So – debate? Or suppression like the once East Germany? And look what happened there …
27 – Wandering Wiganer
I can't speak for others, but i wasn't even looking in the general direction of the 'R' word. This is an extremely sensitive subject, and therefore the event that initiated this crime must be clearly identified to avoid misleading the public. I hope justice is done regardless.
30 – Morgan DELETED
Leviticus – I already told him that but was deleted. I explained the criteria for debate/deletion in my above deleted comment. One of them is that I’m a known BNPer. My words must not be listened to or read in case I pollute the minds of the general public. When censors act like this, they are not taking away my right to speak, they are taking away your right to hear and make your own mind up.
34 – Morgan DELETED
WEP don’t need to investigate – they know. It was my description of events three weeks ago when Tony Ward had his head opened up by a claw hammer-wielding racist Asian. An entirely accurate description accompanied by my question: why was this spat between a couple of teenage girls being treated as a race hate crime when that one wasn’t?
37 – Morgan DELETED
There is an additional factor to these deletions: they started very shortly after I emailed Elliot Brown giving details of this conversation in an attempt to draw him into this debate. I thought that as this sort of thing is his job, and as he is well paid for it with YOUR money, then he really should be here ripping me a new hole as he explained why I was wrong, and in the process winning the public over to his point of view.
So – intelligent enough to be a council officer on a salary I could only dream of (and my dreams are not that ambitious), but not intelligent enough to engage in debate with a thick knuckledragging racis fascist nazi. He loses by default – a “no show”.
Instead, he set about suppressing all debate.
38 – Wandering Wiganer
My comments were based around the syntax of the writer, not so much around the content. By not clearly stating a crucial part of this attack (the cause of the initial argument between the 2 parties), doubt has been cast as to whether the headline is correct and has caused an avoidable debate. I simply require clarification on this matter.
39 – Britishlady DELETED
“ ,,, why was this spat between a couple of teenage girls being treated as a race hate crime when that one wasn’t?”. Well said Morgan.
Come on, any answers? Anyone? Racism cuts both ways except if you’re white.
Watch me be deleted again.
48 – Socialist 1
Tiocfaidh ar la
53 – celedrialjoy DELETED
Oh dear, it seems I’ve joined the ranks of the deleted.
To the deleter: just because it’s easy to delete people’s thoughts on this website, it does not mean you can silence them!
You have by your actions made more people curious about what others have been saying on this subject. Tell me – are YOU a member of the BNP because you are doing a very good recruitment job for them.
54 – Socialist 1
The workers united will never be defeated, anti fascists united will never be defeated.
58 – Socialist 1
ha ha you lot are pathetic
60 – celedrialjoy
Tell the truth Mr deleter, youre just a lonely little person sat there feeling rather godly because you are able to hide behind a computer screen and delete without confrontation. You know there are people in the real world who can help you with your problems. Oh and by the way I have just visited the Wigan Patriot (for the first time) But it wont be the last! wonder how many more on these pages have visited the Patriots website because of you?
62 – Wandering Wiganer
Hi Socialist,What are your views on this story? After reading it, I am concerned that a label is being put on these people although it is not clear (or certainly hasn't been presented to the readers clearly) what caused this incident in the first place. No doubt elements of the R word were involved, and should be dealt with accordingly, but was this the issue that started the argument between the wanted party and the victim, or something else? This, I feel, is crucial. I know I can rely on some form of reasonable debate on this.
64 – Socialist 1
I don’t talk to Nazis
67 – Wandering Wiganer
Socialist - Nothing I have written on this thread, or any other for that matter, has been about anything the other people on here are talking about. I do not share any of their views, other than I agree with them that someone should not be deleting posts on this subject as it is confusing other viewers (you are the prime example, assuming that I am in league with others here). I am here as an individual, I could not care less about other people's political views. I SIMPLY WANT CLARIFICATION ON THIS STORY, and hoped people could see my point. You've disappointed me.
68 – Socialist 1
Was I talking to you?
69 – Wandering Wiganer
No one else asked you a question.
70 – Britishlady DELETED
Why does this spat between teenage girls receive more attention and newsprint than the attack by an Asian on a white person with a claw hammer? Please explain.
71 - celedrialjoy DELETED
It is NEW-liabour that are the racists
73 – Socialist 1
britishlady' your views are vile
76 – Britishlady
Why does this spat between teenage girls receive more attention and newsprint than the attack by an Asian on a white person with a claw hammer? Please explain.
A claw hammer is more lethal and dangerous surely?
Asking this question makes a person VILE?
77 – Socialist 1
'britishlady' your views on here over a considerable amount of time are vile. your views make decent people want to throw up.
81 – Socialist 1
am i bovvered?
82 – Socialist 1
celedrialjoy me thinks you tell porkie pies
83 – Morgan DELETED
To all those who requested I do a quick copy of the early comments here to get an idea of what all these deletions are about – it’s now up and is available on:
http://www.wiganpatriot.bogspot.com
As this gets deleted I’ll keep re-posting until I’m confident those interested have seen it. I’ll know this from the comments coming back from it onto here.
85 – Socialist 1
its a shame NAZIS keep coming on here
86 – Morgan
It's a shame censors keep coming on here. A censor is someone who thinks he knows better than you what you should know in order to avoid the risk of you making your own mind about something.
87 – Morgan
Define your terms, Socialist1 - what is a NAZI?Or aren't you that clever? Any good with a hammer?
88 – Morgan
As I recall from my history books, a NAZI was a kind of person who imposed censorship.
89 – Socialist 1
NAZI SCUM you know who you are
90 – Socialist 1
i dont talk to NAZI SCUM
92 – Morgan
And in case it passed you by - you already did.
93 – Socialist 1
YOU KNOW YOUR NAME THEN
94 – Morgan
By your own mysterious - known only to you - criteria/definition for/of NAZI SCUM, that is
98 – Socialist 1
paranoid ha ha your unbelievable with the sh@te you spout be gone DEVIL be gone!
99 – Morgan
Socialist1Comment 93 - you've yet again done what you said you never do.
Oh - and comment 98
108 – Socialist 1
workers united will NEVER be defeated.
109 – Whatnicknameisnotinusethen?
If worthwhile debate and query cannot be used on here because of the fascist nazi loony left scum’s puerile censorship then how about we start their game of deleting everything? Socialist1, you are a troll. Anyway, back to the time line of what happened in this text..."... involved in a argument with two teenage girls, one of whom turned violent and punched her in the face four or five times. The victim *WAS* then racially abused and attacked again before the pair got off the bus in Bickershaw just after the Tamar pub." So, the racial slurs occurred AFTER the victims face was punched up?? In my book physical pain and damage is worse than any mouthing off two chav slags. Methinks police need to get issues in order.
110 – Whatnicknameisnotinusethen?
Socialist1.. Do you have a job? I fear we cannot attack what doesn't exist. You write like an 11yr old troll.Workers united indeed. At least us workers, WORK! Or, more to the point. Those who have worked, done so over their working lifetimes. Did you know the Labour party's first name was the "Nationalists". Did you know Keir Hardy was an ardent patriot who fought to keep the cheap foreign labourers out of our door? Or are you so thick it won't sink in.
111 – Whatnicknameisnotinusethen?
Hey, while I'm on one. I've just looked up the Tamar pub. Its near Leigh. Its practically in the middle of nowhere. Now what percentage of the populace makes up 16 yr old females who live within that bus stop catchment area?The cops cannot use the local database to do a couple of house calls for ID purposes? I smell a rat here. Or, as I said before, they haven't the wit to follow a piece of string.
112 – Thejones
Morning all (for ME anyhow!).I've just caught up on the thread and have just been to Wigan blog patriot, thank you kindly I will keep a close eye on that one too from now on (if only the discussion had been allowed I wouldn't have known, that’s what I meant by suppression of debate being counter-productive).
113 – Morgan DELETED
Nickname – that is a VERY interesting comment.
That’s where we had our BNP meeting Thursday night. I’m not letting any secrets out here because Myra Hindley’s (one of the Leigh Labour councillors) husband was downstairs in the bar gobbing off to anyone who would listen that the nazi skinheaded thick BNP fascist racist thugs were upstairs. He didn’t have a gang of hammer wielding Asian thugs to hand so he didn’t try to disrupt us. Sensible. Not very brave – but sensible.
And no, we didn’t have any 16 yr-old girls at our meeting (a very good meeting it was too, as described by Dr Mather on the Wigan Patriot blog – much as I imagine the meetings of the very early Labour party were, when it was still a nationalist party whose leader, Keir Hardie, was “opposed to immigration as it tends to depress the wages of the working man”)
I suspect the police should be investigating the so-called “victim” with a possibility of charges for wasting police time.
116 – celedrialjoy
Well it would seem that the deleter’s actions have been counter productive.All I wanted to do was read a story that had been put out about a fight between three girls! But of course once I saw the deleter had been at work again I couldn’t resist. But I did glean information about the Patriot website and I found it quite interesting, so thanks.
121 – ytrewq DELETED
Thejones
Ref Mr Elliot. I can’t for the life of me be bothered doing any research into him. From comments posted three things spring to mind which may describe him:
1. Large mouth.
2. Long tongue
3. No b***s
I’m prepared to be persuade otherwise, so if anyone has anything positive to say about him, feel free to enlighten me.
I’m timing how long this post lasts.
123 – thejones DELETED
Ytrewq
Bizarrely enough, because of censorship on this comment thread yesterday, I discovered a website there (I’m many thousands of miles away), the “Wigan Patriot”, which had, in fact, recorded that comment thread and detailed the efforts of censorship at that time. It was rather good.
126 – sickoffitall
It seem's Mr "Stalin" has stopped me from posting comments as well !
127 – G.Chadwick
Morgan, do you think there is an ulterior motive by the reporter regarding this particular alleged "race hate incident? Especially as this report comes to our attention a week after it had supposedly happened and which interestingly coincides with reports coming out regarding Thursday evenings proceedings in Leigh, if you know what I mean?
128 – Morgan DELETED
Yes Gary, I do.
I think they are trying to link BNP activity with “Race Hate” crime. We had a meeting right where, next day, this incident was reported to have taken place.
You know the sort of argument – it goes like this … the activities of the BNP stirred up hate in two immature young girls … they couldn’t help it … it’s the BNP’s fault … ban them.
That’s assuming the whole alleged incident wasn’t in fact a set-up by the leftards. Would be good to learn the histories of these three girls. Are they long-time friends (or rivals)? Does any of the three have any connection with the Labour party? Or any others of the people with an irrational hatred towards the BNP.
But it does look to me like some sort of set-up. Remember – Myra Hindley’s husband was downstairs in the bar spouting of to anyone and everyone about the nazi skinheaded BNP fascist racist knuckle-dragging bootboys being upstairs. And we already know that there are concerted efforts to deny us venues for meetings.
Where was our meeting Thursday? Where was this offence reported to have taken place Friday?
I’m not normally given to conspiracy theories, but in this case …..
131 – thejones
anthony wareing
Your point may have merit and no, it is not acceptable to abuse or assault ANYONE (but I took the view right at the start, now deleted, that either the race of the perpetrators and victims should be revealed in EVERY case or NOT AT ALL).However, there are now grounds to doubt whether the story is about the three girls at all and if not then what is the motive? (and no, I am not now, nor ever have been a member, of the bnp and I'm not an activist of any sort etc etc) which then requires an ongoing debate as to the degree of honesty/moral courage exhibited by any so called free press, not just THIS one. I am quite convinced that the ideology this media represents will find the honest and genuine expression of ideas wholly unacceptable and COMPLETELY remove all evidence that we even had this discussion
134 – Anthony wareing
"a young woman can be abused and attacked JUST because of the colour of her skin".Is there any proof that this is true?If she was overweight & they mentioned this to her, would the attack have been size-ist (however you spell that) "JUST because of the size of her body"?I feel sorry for the 19 year old, because everyone (including me) seems to be on the side of the two 16 year olds, I don't know what went on so I can't really comment on the attack, maybe she was equally to blame, maybe she's 100% a victim, unfortunately the police & the media have decided to use her attack for their own ends which makes other people naturally take the opposite viewpoint, regardless of the actual events, like I said before its not about her anymore it's just politics. If it wasn't for George Orwell we'd be further along the road to big brother & the thought police than we are now, but we still have to be on our guard, & censorship is the one of their weapons.
139 – Morgan
Given the tactics that it has recently been discovered are being used by the Labour party against the Tories (see today's Times and News of the World), what on Earth can we expect Labour to be using against the BNP? This alleged bus incident might be only the beginning .. what will be next?Hammer attack, alleged racist incident they are apparently trying to link to the BNP, ... what next? Given the stories coming out of Downing Street today, wouldn't put anything at all past them.
141 – Morgan
A race hate attack? Hmmmm - we've all been young haven't we. Don't teenage girls have spats? Don't they hold grudges (oh boy - do they ever)? Don't they lash out at each other - physically and verbally - and with the most stinging words they can think of at the time? And how much physical damage does a girlie hit do (I have felt it from my wife - they really don't know how to hit properly)? And what's it all usually over? Yup - boys. And all this has been conflated into a suggested race hate attack, apparently - on the face of it - as a way to attack the BNP. Unfortunately for Labour - the timings are all wrong when looked at closely.How much of your money is that constable being paid - and the "race hate" hierarchy he answers to? YOUR money remember.
142 – Britishlady DELETED
Labour is mobilizing at local level wherever there is a sign of heavy BNP activity. National funding has been provided for “Stop the BNP2 leaflets, and Labour uses a different slogan – “Fairness not Fear” rather than its national theme of “Winning the Fight for Britain’s Future”.
It is also linking up with anti-fascist groups such as Searchlight and sending anti-BNP battlebuses into areas targeted by the group.
So can we expect more of what happened in Leigh 13/03/2009 when Tony Ward was attacked by a gang of thugs hiding behind the title of SWP, Searchlight, etc – all funded and supported by this Labour government.?
Is this what this country has been reduced to? Government backed thugs bussed in like flying pickets to oppress the people and a legitimate, legal, political party, by violent means?
The full list of Searchlight and SWP supporters from all parties (including David Cameron) is listed on the BNP website – a frightening list of people opposed to democracy.
The people must use their vote before it is too late.
143 – thejones
BritishladyIndeed and in my case I really have never been (hitherto) a 'politically driven' individual BUT I have had a sense if 'unease' in the back of my mind for many years without being able to articulate this unease.Then, having had enough of the U.K. for a number of reasons I left and at this point have no intention of ever returning. To get to my point, having been away for a few years I returned and was quite stunned at the level of change that I saw and was quite frightened for the longer term (I would add that the July 7 bombers was a turning point for me ) given, in my own case, that almost my entire family live in Britain (going back to approximately the ice-age!). I even saw fit to resolve to resist the change I mention above as best I could. The only political party that seems to address the concerns I allude to ARE the BNP. At this point I need to add that I am not, in any way, a 'radical' and am most certainly not a thug or knuckle-dragger, in fact, I couldn't be more diametrically evolved and have discovered very very many who are similar and I HAVE made a point of making myself aware of what’s going on.This being the case the responses that I see from various quarters to what is a wholly legal political party is, at best, amusing and at worst dangerous in principle.(and in FACT when hammers are used). There are, undoubtedly, very worrying forces at work in the U.K. and I truly don't see it ending peacefully. So to second your point it indeed is more important for people to vote now than in recent decades because time really is getting short at this point.
144 – Leviticus
thanks britishlady, we all know about the so called 'respectable' searchlight organisation and when you turn the spotlight onto the searchlight they aren't as respectable as they are purported to be no doubt the anti free speech brigade will delete this but if anybody is in any doubt they should look here : www.searchlightexposed.com
145 – Britishlady DELETED
I would ask why so many “Race Attacks” get so much press coverage yet others receive practically none, an example being the murder of Kris Donald. I bet 90% of you have never heard of this young man – it never got much publicity.
Google – Kris Donald – and read about just one of hundreds of ignored murders.
The BNP is labeled “Far Right” because it tells the truth, and the powers-that-be do not want the truth told.
Make your own mind up.
147 – Leviticus
thejones
'You do realise don't you Britishlady that this entire comment thread will be 'expunged' from the record as soon as this journals editorial staff get back to work? One of those disturbing features I've noted.'
One can almost see them now, in the office saying 'oh my god they are speaking the truth, quick delete all comments because we cannot allow it to happen' because that is effectively what they are doing when they delete all posts and close the debate because they don't agree with what is being said. It makes you wonder what problem they have with the truth and freedom of speech
148 – thejones
Britishlady
Kriss Donald indeed. The reading of the events are too horrific to contemplate for any length of time. A clear example of a race hate crime....BURIED.....Stephen Laurence. Tragic yes. To be condemned yes. Perpetrators not brought to satisfactory justice, unfortunately not. But to elevate the case to one of sainthood and then do a Witchfinder General on almost every institution of state whilst ignoring the horror of Kriss Donald....very wrong. The balance sheet has yet to be put right.
leviticus
Indeed, would be nice to have a camera on the wall in the office (mind you, as Stalinist as they are it's perfectly possible that they DO just to keep an eye on the staff!?)Make yourself familiar with Professor Noam Chomsky: 'They will either ignore you, shoot you or assassinate your character (common one that, just ask messrs Cameron and Osborne)'The first seems to be firmly in operation with commentators here.
149 – sickoffitall
Free speech disappeared along with freedom of thought etc when the "NuLiabour" regime came to power and made it a crime to be patriotic to your country (ie Britain), the very word "Patriotism" sends the hand wringing Leftie "Traitor's" in Troughminster and its blind followers into a wild frenzy, and will make every effort possible to stifle anything that goes against the Mantra of "Nuliabour"!Anyone who is the slightest Patriotic must be SILENCED at any cost.
151 - Britishlady DELETED
Searchlight is gross. Take a look at SWP communist hypocrite Weyman Bennet.
Weyman Bennet, joint national secretary of UAF, recently wrote an article on the BNP’s good chance of success at the European Elections in June. Bennet declared: “The British National Party is aiming to win seats in the European parliament in June. The Nazis believe they have the wind in their sails following the walkouts at the Lindsey oil refinery”
Typically, the article is full of smears, for example making the claim that party chairman Nick Griffin has been a member of “Nazi organizations for three decades”. If they consider the BNP as such, then maybe a political lieracy course would be beneficial.
Bennet also describes the BNP as “Nazis” in eight out of the eighteen paragraphs, clearly a big fan of the Big Lie propaganda technique, which generally involves telling a very big lie, very often, until it is believed.
Nearly all the parties of various communist leanings will be aiming to stem the electorate’s tide of anger over the last six decades of national decline under the “mainstream” parties.
The double hypocrisy of the far left is startling: they do not even believe in democracy, admitting themselves that their goal of international socialism (and communism) cannot be achieved at the ballot box. For the time being they are content to fight a party that isn’t responsible for any of the mess we’re in, and the only party that offers any meaningful alternative.
In January, during the latest Israel Gaza conflict, Weekly Worker reported that Bennet was overheard saying: Jews “ should go back to where they came from … New York or wherever”.
Members of his far Left Socialist Workers Party were also chanting “We are Hezbollah” when protesting over Israel’s retaliation against the terrorist group in 2006.
It is indeed very strange that prominent members of the hardcore Left opposes virtually everything Israel does yet label the BNP as Nazis.
152 – Britishlady DELETED
The BNP has never held a protest against Israel defending its people and land. Maybe people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
It just shows what a cancer to this country these outfits are.
153 – Morgan DELETED
Britishlady – and everyone:
Imagine if it was BNPers caught doing this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169642/fourteen-council-staff-suspended-circulating-anti-semitic-joke-email.html
154 – Socialist 1
The workers united will never be defeated
155 – Lomra Greener
Let me explain the definition of socialism to you.Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under socialism, it's the other way round.Now get your self all excited while you work that out.
158 – Socialist 1
i see nazis have appeared yet again
159 – Lomra Greener
S1, you call yourself a socialist, NAZI is a contraction of national socialist (as spelled in German).I see you really are a socialist, as defined above and by the failed USSR. Your attitude seems to be ‘you can have any opinion you want, or say what you want, so long as it is exactly what I want it to be’.
162 – Socialist 1
What is the matter. Do you not like the word Nazi? Perhaps Scum should be attached to it?
163 – celedrialjoy
The thing that is really scary is the number of high ranking politicians who back these thugs David Cameron for one. If the leader of one of the main political parties has put his name to backing these criminals just how far are the main parties prepared to go to protect their places at the trough.
164 – Morgan
Come on then S1 - educate us.Define 'Nazi'.Translated from the original German it comes out as "National Socialist German Workers Party". But what do YOU mean by it?
167 – sickoffitall
I'm afraid the old mantra of name calling ie "Nazi" has worn very thin with the people of Britain, take a look at the latest media headlines and listen to the National news on tv and radio, the Harpies in power have done enough of that to make the population sit up and realise that name calling / spin / lies and treachery are the only thing these clowns have left in their armoury, NOTHING they say or do now will have any affect whatsoever to make the populous change their minds to how slippery and slimy these overpaid self serving parasites in "Troughminster" will go to cling on to their jobs, to be quite honest, firing off the "Nazi" word non stop at someone only shows that it's the desperation that certain people will go to (ie the Liarbour party etc) knowing they are "Washed up".
168- Socialist 1
I think NAZI SCUM is enough said. If the hat fits...
170 – Morgan
All well and good S1, but if we don't know what Nazi means you may as well be shouting Squibbledork Scum at us for all the sense it makes. What does it MEAN? Do explain to stupid unknowing us.
172 – Morgan
We ignoramuses haven't had the privelege of your extensive in-depth Higher Education in political philosophy. So please, tell us: what exactly does Nazi mean?
173 – Morgan
You there S1? We are waiting here with bated breath for you to explain to us your insights and understanding of the concept of Nazi (Scum).You there S1? S1? Come in S1.
179 – Morgan
Anyway, let's get back on topic shall we? Why is a spat between three teenage girls a "racist hate crime" because a white girl lashed out and a non-white got hit, yet an attack by an Asian with a hammer (a gang of some 30 Asians actually, attacking four white men) injuring a white man with scars he'll never lose not a "race hate crime"? The definition of a "race hate crime" is that the victim, or someone else, perceives it to be racist. Well I for one perceive the Leigh hammer attack to be racist. By definition that makes it racist - Asian on White.
181 – sickoffitall
Correct, but we are not allowed to comment on ANYTHING "Non White" WHY ???
183 – sickoffitall
This was why this debate started.
185 – Morgan
Sickofitall
That is a big big question. Perhaps Ell ...er ... S1 might care to answer it?
186 – Morgan
????? S1 ... are you ... er ... mentally disturbed?
188 – sickoffitall
Will I now be called "Nazi scum" purely because i have asked a legitimate question that i'm SURE lot's of reader's to this site are still wanting to know?
193 – Morgan
Why is a spat between three teenage girls a "racist hate crime" because a white girl lashed out and a non-white got hit, yet an attack by an Asian with a hammer (a gang of some 30 Asians actually, attacking four white men)injuring a white man with scars he'll never lose not a "race hate crime"?
194 – sickoffitall
Morgan, i'm afraid that the answer to that question (193) will never be allowed to be published.
198 – Socialist 1
I have just thrown my evening meal up!
200 – Socialist 1
I am sure the Wigan people will rally around. They are intelligent people up there. They always come out for us.
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Damn!! I missed a trick there. Read that again. Socialist 1 is NOT a Wiganer, and not even a Northerner. “ … up there …” – so he comes in from down south and disrupts our debate here in Wigan. Now that I have a valid reason for doing so, I’m going to email the editor on Monday and see if I can’t get this little troll banned from commenting and banned from deleting. It isn’t just this thread – he pops up on loads of threads and disrupts. Southerners interfering in Northern concerns. So going back over these threads in detail is useful after all – learned new hard information there. Wonder how many other local newspapers he does it to? Is he paid by someone – a Union, Labour party – whatever – to do this as a full-time job: disrupt inconvenient comment threads wherever he finds them? Anyone out there with the on-line investigatory skills to find out? If so – please get cracking on it. The Johnston Press is a big organization and has local newspapers all over the country – register for commenting in one and you are registered for commenting (and deleting) in all. I already know this from experience of commenting in other local papers belonging to Johnston. I know where to get a list of all of the group’s papers … Anyone care to take the job on? I’ve a few ideas how to get started. Email me. I don’t have the time to get into it right now, with the June election coming up – lots to do. I would guess that if he is doing this systematically across the group, then any one editor can remove his rights from right across the network – including stopping him re-registering with a new throwaway Hotmail account and username. Yes – I know that one – I’ve had five different accounts and usernames with the Guardian: I keep getting banned. Wonder why hahahahaha?
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202 – Morgan
S1 - comment 198 ... now eat it up again like the good doggie you are.
205 – Morgan
S1
Was I Nazi Scum for all those years when I was a member of the Labour party? Did I just magically become one when I left? Or did I magically become one when I joined the BNP? Trying to work out what Nazi Scum is. Because I think I'm the same bloke as I was at those times.
209 – Socialist 1
Decent people know what you are about. You crawl from under your stones and blame others. it has happened throughout history. You spy a chance to spread your vileness discrimination. As i said in a past post.BE GONE!!!!!
211 – Morgan
We will be gone S1 - in June to Brussels, and six-seven years from now, to Downing Street.
215 – Morgan
National SOCIALIST German WORKERS PARTY.
217 – Socialist 1
ha ha thats a bit rich bl! this from a party that wants to annihilate people,has politics of hate,john laidlaw who went on a shooting spree on the underground and wanted to kill black people? ring any bells?
219 – Socialist 1
robert Cottage who was 3 times bnp candidate, jailed in 2007 for stockpiling chemicals,bomb making equipment and a rocket launcher?
221 – Socialist 1
David Copeland who NAIL BOMBED a London pub and KILLED 3 people?
222 – Britishlady
WHY WHY WHY
Why is a spat between three teenage girls a "racist hate crime" because a white girl lashed out and a non-white got hit, yet an attack by an Asian with a hammer (a gang of some 30 Asians actually, attacking four white men)injuring a white man with scars he'll never lose not a "race hate crime"? TOO difficult to answer ? Or do you have none.....
223 – Morgan
Laidlaw + Cottage + Copeland
Total Deaths - three
Injured - several tens
Asian underground/bus bombers on 7/7/05
Total deaths - 52
Injured - several hundred.
224 – sickoffitall
Tony Bliar / Gordon Brown 1997 - 2009.....Millions of honest decent hardworking men,women and children.....lives ruined.
225 – Morgan
Too imprecise there - MUSLIM underground/bus bombers
238 – Morgan
Has S1 actually got a mind? Or is it just a spur off some collective hive mind?
244 – Morgan
I want to give some credit to the editorial team on Wigan Today.I started today expecting the entire thread to be removed as if it never existed, and have been pleasantly surprised. Thank you Mr Editor sir - I'll still be blogging this because of all the user-deletions ... but I wont be taking a poke at you.
245 – celedrialjoy
Just been catching up on the comments, so far S1 is on a massive losing streak in getting his point across, actually its hard to see through his manic posts to see what his point is! From what I can make out anyone who disagrees with anything he says is a racist/nazi!!!!Well correct me if I am wrong but I thought it was the nazis that did not allow free speech or debate. Come on S1, you cannot go around saying that an attack on a coloured girl by a white girl IS racist, and an attack on four white men by 30+ Asians in Leigh isn’t! If you are going to label people racists then at least start from an even point of view.
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I think it’s pretty well established now that S1 is down South somewhere, whereas we know Elliot is here in Wigan. Established the rough location (South) of S1 earlier on through a slip of his tongue.
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248 – Socialist 1
all this thinking morgan its not good for you. be gone!
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Here’s a blunt honest assessment – S1 is far far cleverer than we give him credit for … well, he at least has a Robber’s Dog cunning anyway, as thejones put it earlier, which can be even more effective for reasons I wont divulge to avoid giving him an advantage … and he has quite clearly won this entire exchange – the entire thread. Lost every battle, but quite categorically won the war. It is painful for me to say that – but if our Party’s claim to blunt honesty is to be anything more than a sharp soundbite, we have to apply it to ourselves individually too. I consider we lost this one and we have lessons to learn for future comment wars, of which there will undoubtedly be many, and in many places not just Wigan Today. Politics isn’t ending any time soon.
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250 – Morgan
Apparently, bus stops and telephone boxes are hot spots for racist incidents.How much does Wigan Council Tax payers pay Elliot?
257 – Socialist 1
tell you what, i dont really want anymore contact with nazi scum, your views are vile, i will come on here and keep giving the facts out to decent people, as i have said before, BE GONE you make me puke!!!
260 – Socialist 1
you also presume im a man, your sexist too! yuk!
262 – Morgan
S1 - I'd never accuse you of being a MAN!
269 – Leviticus
post 257 socialist1,14/04/2009 22:31:53 as i thought, tell you what, i dont really want anymore contact with nazi scum, your views are vile, i will come on here and keep giving the facts out to decent people, as i have said before, BE GONE you make me puke!!!
socialist 1
Or should i call you elliot? What facts are they? All i can see coming from you is puerile insults and no attempt to debate anything with facts. Is that because your noo labour paymasters have forbidden you to comment after your outrageous 'inbred' slurs about the people of this town?
283 – Socialist 1
dosent take much to wind up a NAZI.
NAZI SCUM sums it up sooooooo perfectly
292 – Morgan DELETED
Are these people capable of ever learning? All deleted posts from the past few pages have said the same thing. This constant re-posting is because this is a freedom of speech issue: not my freedom to speak, but others' to listen.
This is American - but decribes exactly what's happening here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s
... as S1 goes rooting through its toolbox for a suitable accessory to wear/carry to a political meeting ... analyse this picture. Carefully note the numbers accompanying each date, and read in chronological order (sorry about the multi-syllable words S1) and think of the future.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oOZT0MnFY50/SeV-fhlG8MI/AAAAAAAAAzY/ovSeNnwPpAE/s1600-h/weyman-vote.jpg
Now posted on the Wigan Patriot blog - with conventional graphs of the same data.
http://www.wiganpatriot.blogspot.com/
People notice you know - it's not us that wants to stop ordinary folk reading all points of view so they can make their own minds up - it's the leftards that do that. People then want all the more to know what WE are saying. They already know what YOU are saying because they've been getting nothing else for years. Forbidden fruit always tastes sweeter
Had you left the original post in place it would now be lost in the comment back-pages. By playing these games all you are doing is keeping it up front, which suits me - more people get to read it. That's the trouble with people like you: you are so ideologically hidebound that you don't think, you only feel (hate). Just not good enough in the modern world. If you want to win, you have to actually argue your point. You prefer censorship - whether with a keyboard or a hammer - all the same to you.
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That is not an exact rendition of comment 292. That’s because I had decided that I would re-post every deleted comment. I very soon learned that if a comment is exactly identical to a previous comment then the server filters pick up on it and class it as spam, and so block it. So to get the comment in again you have to make some small change or other, or add or take away, for it to be accepted. But a couple of comments from now you will see the start of a marathon session of the deleter taking this comment down, and me immediately putting it back up again – but with a slight change each time. A lot – some 49 – of changes happened before reaching this exact wording, so it’s not quite the original. I do have all the original screen grabs, comment by comment – but I don’t think you want to see the same thing 49. It all starts a couple of comments from now – and I won that particular battle of attrition. He gave up taking them down before I gave up re-posting them. 3 hours around midnight one night, then continued the following afternoon. I got it off to a fine art – it takes six-seven minutes to remove a comment, but I could get it back up in 15 seconds once I’d done it a couple of times. So, six to seven minutes up, 15 seconds down. Advantage to me. It starts soon.
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293 – Socialist 1
the futures RED
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The following comments were copies of 292 above – I put ‘em up, he took ‘em down, I put ‘em back up again – for several hours.
295, 296, 297, 298, 299, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313. 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319. 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 332, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 343, 344, at this point, a little extra conversation joined in, with me re-posting the above at various points interspersed in that conversation – ALL DELETED
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349 – Socialist 1
Tiocfaidh ar la!
350 – Morgan
Err - S1, according to the numbers OURS will, not yours. You've had yours and made a right mess of it.
359 – Leviticus
Tiocfaidh ar la - our day will come , the motto of the I.R.A. showing your true colours now Socialist 1,
360 – Socialist 1
ha ha im sure you know better than me.wooo wooo
361 – Morgan
Tiocfaidh ar la = Our day will come.Actually, it's been and gone in loads of places - and everywhere it went it made a tyrannical mess and the people were so happy once they 'persuaded' it to be gone.
365 – Morgan
Are these people capable of ever learning? All deleted posts from the past few pages have said the same thing. This constant re-posting is because this is a freedom of speech issue: not my freedom to speak, but others' to listen.This is American - but decribes exactly what's happening here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s
... as S1 goes rooting through its toolbox for a suitable accessory to wear/carry to a political meeting ... analyse this picture. Carefully note the numbers accompanying each date, and read in chronological order (sorry about the multi-syllable words) and think of the future. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oOZT0MnFY50/SeV-fhlG8MI/AAAAAAAAAzY/ovSeNnwPpAE/s1600-h/weyman-vote.jpg
Now posted on the Wigan Patriot blog - with conventional graphs of the same data. http://www.wiganpatriot.blogspot.com/
Readers do notice you know - it's not us that wants to stop ordinary folk having access to all points of view so they can make their own minds up - it's the leftards that do that. People then want all the more to know what WE are saying. They already know what YOU are saying because they've been getting nothing else for years. Forbidden fruit always tastes sweeterHad you left the original post in place it would now be lost in the comment back-pages. By playing these games all you are doing is keeping it up front, which suits me - more people get to read it. That's the trouble with people like you: you are so ideologically hidebound that you don't think, you only feel (hate). Just not good enough in the modern world. If you want to win, you have to actually argue your point. You prefer censorship - whether with a keyboard or a hammer - all the same to you.
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That was the final re-post of the post/deletion sequence described above. It remained in place so the deleter obviously accepted that I was never going to let it remain deleted.
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366 – celedrialjoy
Just got home from work , been telling everyone about whats been happening on here and how people are not being allowed to debate. Been telling everyone about ELLIOT BROWN and S1. People could not believe it when I told them what OUR race hate co-ordinator had said about US. I think WEP website is going to get quite a few more hits tonight.
369 – Socialist 1
ha ha you work together. ha ha you been phoning each other with what to say ha ha ha ha. you are pathetic
370 – Morgan
Caught - yes S1, we confess, it's all a conspiracy to drive you insane. And we have been wonderfully successful haven't we. Loon.
371 – Socialist 1
well thats not nice captain is it. and heres us having some fun, winding you up for days and you biting. we have had a really good belly laugh ha ha ha see you around soon ha ha ha i have got some champagne in the fridge mmmmm here to... er not you NAZIS
372 – Morgan
Champagne Socialist eh. Yes, a lot of them around these days."The workers united" indeed.
378 – whatnicknameisnotinusethen
Regarding Nazi Scum1 and his champagne in the fridge.. He claims he doesn't drink????Back to the subject matter....If the police couldn't find out who these girls were by now, then most likely they do not exist. [almost two weeks now since the original alleged incident - Morg]
379 – Britishlady
whatnicknameisnotinusethen ?
Well three or four other people on the bus ?
Plus the Driver, plus more than likely CCTV,
I agree, then most likely they do not exist.
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That was the end of the conversation. Our opponents had left by now, with the story itself having moved back three pages on the Wigan Today website, so very unlikely to be read by new people. We may have won the arguments, and we may have arrived at a satisfactory final conclusion, BUT WE LOST! “SHUT UP” WON.
Folks – we have to analyse this conversation and learn lessons to stop ourselves being so comprehensively beaten in the future. I think the key to it will be in persuading the editor to remove that – effectively – automatic delete function. How likely is that?
Leftards – SHUT UP
Morg – NO!
But through the newspaper’s indulgence of shut-uppery with that delete function, they shut us up anyway just until the story has moved so far back no one new will bother reading it.
Morg
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