Wednesday, 22 October 2008

WHAT'S AN ECONOMY FOR?

Wigan unemployment up 33% in the past nine months.

http://www.wigantoday.net/wigannews/Jobless-total-up-by-a.4614055.jp

Trafford – up 31.4%
Rochdale – up 27.1%
Bury - up 27.1%
National average - up19%

And everywhere … immigration up as well.

“British jobs for British workers” – G.Brown.
80% of all new jobs go to immigrants – National Statistics Office.

Liblabcon politicians and their drones in the media tell us that immigration is good for “The Economy”. Maybe, maybe not. Is it good for native British people though?

No? Thought not.

So, if immigration is good for “The Economy”, but not for we native British people, it follows that some questions need to be asked:

Whose “Economy” is it?

What is an Economy FOR in the first place?

Has anyone ever asked the politicians these questions?

Morg

27 comments:

Anti-gag said...
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Anti-gag said...

Hi Everyone,

I do hope the meeting went well last night, and I look forward to reading about it on this blog.

Best wishes
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Cllr John Oddy said...

The credit crunch, talk of recession and rising unemployment!, surely this can only be good for the BNP?. For the last few years I have said that this Country can only take so much before it goes into melt-down, un-checked immigration, limitless lending and a greedy, self-gratifying Government. The BNP should be on the doorsteps saying “We told you!”. Here in North Wales there is an abundance of people who support the policies of the BNP but are not given the chance to hear or see the people behind the banner. In the last 6 months, regardless of what the regional news says on the BNP website, the BNP has died.
At a time when your activists should be out talking to and meeting the people, a time when they need to know someone understands what it’s like, there is nobody there. The BNP need to be active now, not just 6 months prior to an election, they need to be out there talking to the public, gaining the trust and support of the people and you need to show that you really do care.

Anti-gag said...

Dear Cllr John Oddy,

I agree totally with what you say, our local council candidates now have to struggle to get 10% of the vote, while 2 or 3 years ago this 10% mark was the minimum most could expect (I acknowledge that there are of course exceptions to this). I am sorry to say that like many others, I am now convinced that Griffin has given up on our cause, and is only interested in winning a seat in the European parliament next year, which I’m convinced he sees as his own personal pension scheme. Until that pension is secure Griffin cannot allow the party to grow much above its present 6000-7000 membership or he’ll lose control of it, and this is why we simply don’t have the numbers of experienced activists needed to take the party forward on the doorsteps.

Since the onset of the catastrophic problems (caused partly by Mark Collett’s megalomania and partly by Griffin’s total incompetence) 10 months ago, a great many good activists have been lost to the party due directly to Griffin’s dictatorial rule.

For six or seven years (2000-2007) I listened loyally to Griffin’s promises of ‘when things get bad the voters will turn to us’. Well we’re now in what we are told is the worst recession since the 1930’s, but our vote is haemorrhaging away and the voters are simply doing what they have always done at such times, turning to the official opposition party, ie the Tories.

Nick Griffin is indeed a very good speaker, but our party needs more than his show business personality, it needs an effective political opposition to the current madness, this Griffin is simply unable and unwilling to organise

Supporting Griffin’s incompetent, and ineffective, leadership is in effect selling our nation last chance down the river.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Cllr John Oddy said...

Anti-gag, (Chris, if I may),
Whilst I agree with you, to some extent, there are others within the Party who have their own agenda. This I have learned, to my cost, the likes of yourself and I do, or in my case, did not, do what we did for personal financial gain, glory or to boost our egos. I did it because I believed there was no other alternative political party, I still don’t that’s why I remained an Independent. I have never hidden my light under a bushel, I, whilst an organiser within the party openly promoted the party and admitted my membership whilst others further up the chain remained anonymous or would not put their names forward to be a candidate, they prefer to make the bullets for others to fire. I spent my time in the party bringing the BNP out of the shadows and into the sunlight, I showed the people of North Wales that we are not skinhead type racists, which we are not. All that has now gone to waste because after I left no-one else bothered, it was too much like hard work.
At the last elections I got three of us onto the town council and we all resigned from the party at the first council meeting because we had no faith in our immediate higher hierarchy in Wales, the inactivity of the Welsh Party since that time proves us right.
It’s not just sour grapes, the party should be out on the streets showing support for the people and gaining their trust, especially at a time like this.

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Anti-gag said...

We need a truly patriotic* political party , not a nick Griffin fan club, which is what I'm afraid Griffin would like to see the party become.
As I said I sometimes want to cry when I think of some of the good people we've lost in the last few years: Cllr Auty, Cllr Graham, Cllr Robertson, Ian Dawson, Nick Holt & most of the Blackburn group, Bev Jones, Kenny Smith, The Purdeys from Bury, and many many more. This revolving door mentality must be stopped.

From
Chris Hill.
(Lancaster)

*Patriotic does not have to mean inward looking by any mean,

Cllr John Oddy said...

Chris,
As an outsider looking in I can see many faults and whilst I can see the reasoning for many of them the glaringly obvious one is the splintering of the Party, the Party is it’s own worst enemy and the only thing that can bring the party down is the party.
There needs to be a “binding agent”, something to bring all the different groups together. Nick has brought the Party on in leaps and bounds and I have respect for him in doing that but I do not see him as the one to lead the Party into the future, he has too much baggage. There is a need also for accountability, the Party has too many people doing their own thing and creating their own little kingdoms.
There is strength in unity and, given the chance, if all the groups were united the Party would be stronger but that strength only comes from the top, if your leader is gung-ho the Party all the way down becomes the same.
You, me and thousands of others are prepared to do what we do for nothing more than the knowledge that we are right, whilst a minority are in it for nothing more than what they can get out of it, financially and in status.
Like many others I was sick and tired of being treated like a mushroom, the members need to be kept informed of what is happening, some of my old group have had no contact from the Party since I left, apart from Party begging letters. There is no consistency, uniformity or, more importantly, no reliable chain of command, these things need to be addressed but who is capable of doing it?. We both know what happens to anyone presenting a leadership challenge, perhaps this is why the Party has been allowed to fragment, that is a suggestion, not an accusation!!!.

Anti-gag said...
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Anti-gag said...

Dear Cllr John Oddy,

The BNP is nothing if it’s not its grassroots membership, but unfortunately there is at present no efficient management structure. I’m now in my 10th consecutive year of membership, and the one thing that convinces me I should continue that into a 11th year is the parties grassroots membership, quite simply they are superb!

However without an effective management team no political party can advance its cause, and it is this that Mr Griffin cannot allow to develop. The BNP has the potential to become the government of the UK within 15 years (of that I am totally convinced), but not under Nick Griffin’s leadership. Our party needs an effective management structure; this neither Griffin nor Collett will allow to develop simply because to do so would put at risk their place on the gravy train. Griffin is indeed a very charismatic personality, but that’s not what the BNP needs, we need an efficient Chief Executive, a job Griffin is incapable of filling.

Anyone who, with their hand on their heart, can say: ‘We the BNP are on track to become the government of the UK within 20 years’ can justify their support for Griffin. But anyone else is letting our nation down by that support. The leadership of our party must be about much more than a show business personality, it must be about efficient management, and I’m afraid here Griffin fails dismally.

Members must now ask themselves: ‘are we a legitimate political party or the Nick Griffin fan club?’ On your answer to that question rests the fate of our nation.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Cllr John Oddy said...

Chris,
I, unfortunately, no longer have a say in the running of your Party. I agree with you on the issue of Nick, as I said, I cannot see him leading the Party into a Government. Nick’s history and the history of those around him cloud the minds of the general public, he and they remind the people of extremism, a factor the Party must move away from if it is to succeed.

On another matter, I cannot see that there will be a Country to lead in 20 years, not if we continue on the perilous track we are now on. There needs to be a monumental change of policy on open immigration if we are to survive as a nation. In 20 years time, if things do not alter, we will have a Muslim Government. We are already witnessing the rise of the Muslim politicians, divide from within, they are, without doubt, seeking to rule by numbers. Whilst we all argue over which political party should govern, they, en-masse, vote for the Muslim.

Religion has been the cause of most wars and it will be the cause of the next if we allow Islam to go unchecked throughout the world. All nations and particularly ours should stamp out the threat before it becomes too big for us to handle, the rise of Islam will be the downfall or Great Britain.

Leigh, Lancashire Nationalist said...

So, Chris and Cllr.Oddy who do you propose to take the British National Party forward?

Your continuing baiting of Mr Griffin fails to hit the mark as neither of you offer an alternative representative leader or indeed anyone to form a "binding agent" management team you so speak of.

Cllr. Oddy, you quite rightly bring to the fore the increased threat of Islam to Britain and foresee; like the very majority involved in nationalist politics the imminent and impending troubles ahead. You say, Quote: "Nick’s history and the history of those around him cloud the minds of the general public, he and they remind the people of extremism, a factor the Party must move away from if it is to succeed."

On the contrary, I believe rightly or wrongly that when the imminent troubles begin; this nation will want to turn to someone who's got the balls and stature to lead us through it, and these individuals will not want to turn to someone who hasn't done their "apprenticeship" on the nationalistic platform, unlike Nick Griffin has done so over the years.

Nick's "extremism" as you say; maybe just what the indigenous Briton need and will look to in succeeding fighting fire with fire!

I sincerely hope times will change quickly enough before this nation implodes, but, I'm certainly not holding my breath.

Anti-gag said...

Dear Leigh Lancashire Nationalist,

You asked who could replace Griffin, well I’d say almost anyone with management experience and who has the good of our nation at heart.

I think Cllr Rodger Robertson could have been a good intermediate chairman, with Cllr Sadie Graham as his deputy. The idea would have been that Sadie learned the ropes, so to speak, before taking over and taking the party into parliament. Cllr Auty would also have been a very good chose, and certainly would have been able to develop an efficient management team. Chris Jackson (someone who incidentally I have great ideological differences with) also could have been a good stop gap leader while the democratic constitutional changes are introduced. In fact the list goes on and on.

Now none of those names have the charisma of Griffin so What! The BNP is a political party not a band of comic actors, and its chairman needs to be an efficient Chief Executive officer not a show business personality.

For six or seven years (2000-2007) I listened loyally to Griffin’s promises of ‘when things get bad the voters will turn to us’. Well we’re now in what we are told is the worst recession since the 1930’s, but our vote is haemorrhaging away and the voters are simply doing what they have always done at such times, turning to the official opposition party, ie the Tories.

Under Griffin’s leadership the party is now in decline, quite simply we must change the leadership or our nation is lost.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster).

Cllr John Oddy said...

LLN,
I am not “baiting” anyone, I believe that Nick has done a great job of leading the Party to it’s present position but to progress further you need to detach yourselves from Nick’s past history.
To be politically sustainable and electable you have to remove yourselves from the “Racist” tag that you have, Nick’s antecedents, unfortunately, carry that tag. He, himself, has admitted this. The only way to solve this Country’s problems is through the ballot box, you need to be democratically voted in and you cannot do this whilst the vast majority of the public think of you as racists.
Like yourself and many others I can see the problems looming ahead of us, Islam is a wicked, evil and intolerant religion that needs to be castrated before it can sire anymore dangerous offspring but, I hope, this can be done politically and with reasoning. I am well documented in my loathing of this religion, that does not make me a racist, only a realist. I have already stated on numerous occasions that if we do not act quickly to this flood of intolerance then there will be Civil war on British streets.
I have done all the flag and banner waving, the shouting and the protesting, the only progressive way forward is for your Party to get it’s candidates elected and to do that you have to distance yourselves from extremism.
Not being a member of your Party I have no say in who I think should lead it, I am only suggesting that it should be someone who can unite the Party and, by doing so, make it stronger. I would wish you and all the other “grassroot” members the best of luck in your choice. There are others who could lead the Party, whether they want to or not is a different matter!.

Leigh, Lancashire Nationalist said...

Well Chris, I have managerial experience and equally with a very large multi-national logistics provider! Yet, I know for a fact that even though I have this nations interest at heart, I certainly know there is not a cat in hells chance of me vying to being the leader of the British National Party!

So that in particular hypothesis of yours has just been proven incorrect i'm afraid.

That said, if the crunch comes to the crunch and Nick is ousted at whatever stage of the proceedings (which I very, very, very much doubt)and we need a good strong imposing figure to rally the troops then Chris Jackson would be an ideal candidate, especially here in the North West!

But, time is of the essence and we are not stupid enough to give the liberal elite a helping hand in destroying this nation by ridding our own 'superb' nationalist leader so close to such an ever impending national catastrophe!

Anti-gag said...

Dear Leigh Lancaster Nationalist,

That is the problem, Griffin is not a political leader he is simply a dictator with a charismatic show business personality who is overseeing a parties present decline, and is unwilling or unable to stop it.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Leigh, Lancashire Nationalist said...

Griffin is dictator hmmmm? If Griffin is indeed a dictator then I must love being dictated to!

So the BNP are on the decline?Decline Chris? Decline? We are on the up my friend! Sorry to put that stick in your spokes! Wigan on Thursday evening was once again full to the rafters and I've just arranged the first ever official meeting in Leigh of which I'm struggling to accomodate those who are wanting to attend! 50 tickets have already been issued to members and supporters and to those who have previously shown an interest in the BNP in Leigh and that was within the past 24 hours of the meeting being organised! Decline? No decline here, Chris! Onwards and upwards.

Anti-gag said...

Dear Leigh Lancaster Nationalist,

The Wigan group is indeed one of the best run units I’ve seen in my 10 years of membership, but it’s an exception not the rule. What you’re describing is Griffin’s revolving door mentality of: find them, fleece them, dump them. I’ve seen this in many apparently up and coming groups over the last 8 or 9 years.

As for your attempt to get a Leigh group going, I wish you well. But be aware that when 50 (new) people say they’re going to attend expect 10 to be there on the night. Make sure you have enough loyal members from surrounding areas there, to make up the numbers.

Lions led by fools are still lions.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Cllr John Oddy said...

I take it you two are on opposing sides of the fence on this issue whereas I have the luxury of being able to sit on it.
I haven’t looked at any BNP sites for a while so I had a quick “shufftie” to see what was occurring. I hadn’t realised there had been a challenge for the leadership so that came as a surprise.
What does appear strange is the draconian measures brought in for any future challenges. Is it true that any candidate requires 110 signatures from other members before they can run?. That would be quite difficult when the membership is kept so secret, would the challenger be given access to the list or not?.
I can only say it “appears” to be slightly undemocratic in giving anyone a chance of launching a campaign, surely it would be better to have an open challenge every four years and the entire membership given the chance to stand or vote depending on length of membership.
I can see now, Chris, why you are so anti-Griffin, I stand by what I said earlier about him being good for the Party up to date but that I cannot see him leading a Party into Government.

Cllr John Oddy said...

SirHM,
Where do you stand on all of this?. I would hate to see the Party destroy itself with in-fighting, is there no common ground to work from?.

Leigh, Lancashire Nationalist said...

LOL!! Thank you Chris for your kind words of wisdom! That's why I mentioned 50 instead of the hundred or so!!

Cllr. Oddy, both Lanky and Sir H M have both chastised me for arguing on this blog with "Anti-Gag" who's been the main anti-Griffin instigator up until yourself Cllr, Oddy! But, i'll have a go at you both if need be!!! And my response is.......if you don't want to support the local BNP then go and twiddle your fingers and thumbs somewhere else!! And piss off some other poor bleeders with your labourious ramblings! Wigan doesn't want you Chris!! So stop trying to infiltrate the group! Cllr. Oddy you seem a nice chap? Stick with what you believe in.

Anti-gag said...

Dear Leigh Lancaster Nationalist,

First of all I certainly am not trying to infiltrate any group, and in fact I’ve not attended a Wigan meeting for over 6 months. The reason for that is not because I wouldn’t like to, it’s just too far to drive 90 miles round trip.

However my answer to your suggestion that:

‘if you don't want to support the local BNP then go and twiddle your fingers and thumbs somewhere else!! And piss off some other poor bleeders with your laborious ramblings!’

is:
If you want to start a branch of the Nick Griffin fan club don’t try and pretend you’re doing it for the good of our nation, you’re not. You’re doing it because you’re a Griffin fan (ie. fanatic!). However if you really are trying to advance the cause of the British people then can I suggest you build a group up loyal to the party, not its present power mad dictator.

Cllr John Oddy,

If you want to get some idea of what has been going on in the NW over the last few months, can I suggest you look over the last 5 or 6 postings on the Lancaster blog at: http://lancaster-bnp-freespeech.blogspot.com/

It’s a local blog so it deals with mainly local party issues, but I think it’s fairly representative of what other areas around the country are going through at the moment.
Finally Cllr Auty was prevented from mounting his leadership challenge by both the denial of a membership list and a vicious attack on his character by the National elections officer (initiated I’m sure by Griffin himself).

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Anti-gag said...

Dear Cllr John Oddy,

I have just reread the story of our loss of yourself and 2 other councillors in North Wales a week after the May elections this year. Madness complete madness! Now I know no small group of people can be allowed to dictate party policy or operation, but this is not an isolated incident, it’s endemic within the party!

The BNP has always had a revolving door sort of success, but instead of appointing officials capably of preventing that, Griffin has in fact allowed it to escalate in recent years. Our Councillors, like the membership numbers, are lost as fast as we get them elected. This must be stopped if we are to advance the party, and our cause. Griffin can’t allow this to happen or he will lose his iron fist control of the party.

Griffin is not a competent leader (chief executive) he is a charismatic want to be show business personality. The decline in the parties fortune can only be reversed by the election of a competent leader!

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Sir Henry Morgan said...

John

I think there are managerial problems in the party, but although I very nearly got involved in the dipute this time last year, I backed off because I could see a danger of a big split in the party. That is something we can't afford - we don't have a spare twenty years to build a new party to the point where this one is already.

The party has made tremendous progress in the past nine years. And despite the managerial defects we have to go with what we've got. Mr Griffin has done well for us and I'm happy to not rock the boat as long as we don't start declining again.

You're ex-military, and I'm sure you understand this idea of sometimes having to go with what you've got.

I was happy to see a leadership challemge last year ... indeed, I even signed the nomination papers even though I planned to vote Griffin. That was because I like elections for their own sake because they tend to stir people up, which to my mind is, in politics, a good thing.

I would go with you on a leadership election every four years, even though, looked at objectively, the current leadership has done enormously well for the party. Ten years ago, who could have imagined the party having made the progress it has since the new leadership took over?

Chris - the hard economic times haven't started yet. From 1929 it took three years for the crash to turn into a full-blown Depression. Can expect something similar(ish) this time ... and the crash has a long way to go yet. We've so far seen only the beginning of it.Wait until the Hedge funds and the Derivatives markets to crash. Soon, soon.

I'll go with the party and leadership we've got; for all its defects it's probably as good as it gets in the timescale available to us.

And yes - people are going to vote Tory in large numbers, but I believe that's only because they know that's the only way to be absolutely certain the Labour party is out. Five years later, when the electorate has learned that all that changed was the faces, then in the election held at that time we'll get representation in Parliament. Another five years after that, we may get a majority.

Mind you, you must bear in mind that what sits in Parliament now is not this country's government. Our actual government sits in Brussels, and that wont change until we repeal The European Communities Act 1972. Get us in Parliament and that should take no more than six hours (the time it took to get through the 1911 Official Secrets Act Act).

Then we can get to work. I expect that to be twelve years from now ... at most 17 years. And that's why we don't have time to spend 20 years building an alternative Nationalist party to the position this one is in now. So we have to go with what we've got.

Cllr John Oddy said...

I took over NW Wales Group just before the last elections, I started with no money, no income and only one meeting prior to the election that was my own. I had to raise candidates, run an election and got little or no assistance locally. Nationally John Walker and Mark Collett dragged my arse out of the fire and gave me all the help they could. I have no problems with the Party Nationally. Out of the 12 candidates I had I put them where I felt they had the best chance, 4 got in, one resigned immediately and three of us resigned from the Party at the first Council meeting. These resignations were for Regional reasons not National. I was, however told that I must buy £50.00 worth of newspapers every month and set-up smaller groups that would do the same, I refused to do this because of the election and had reservations about doing it afterwards. For a small group, 30-odd members, £50.00 is a lot of money, how many groups does the BNP have that are handing over that amount of money each month?. I was made to feel like I had to squeeze every last penny from my members and that’s not a nice position to be in. I understand the Party needs funds but I never saw any accounts, wasn’t informed of what the money was for or got any explanations. We were always complaining that other Parties weren’t open and transparent and yet I felt we weren’t either.
The reason for that outburst was that I felt like no matter how much hard work was put into the Party all they really wanted was the money, the hard working activists saw none of it after it left their hands but it went somewhere. I never knew who was salaried and who wasn’t, I know some who weren’t wanted to be and were angry because they were not getting their slice of the pie but they were higher up the ladder than me.
If all the cards were laid on the table and it was a straight game nobody would be bothered, it’s the intrigue that irritates people.

Cllr John Oddy said...

SirHM,
I have always had great respect and (slight) admiration of your opinions and, once again I concur with your overview of the current situation. Last year I came out in defence of Nick because of the timing, just prior to an election was not the right time and, like you say, you go with what you’ve got.
Is there any truth in the new ruling being added to make it harder to challenge the leadership, I quickly scanned over it and didn’t fully take it in, what I did made me think that it does.

Chris,
I actually withdrew my resignation from the Regional Secretary but he put it through anyway and that is why the others resigned, as did quite a few members.
I apologise if I have opened old wounds on this subject, I didn’t realise it was so sensitive. I was offering my opinion and that hasn’t changed but I now believe there should be a more fair and open avenue for anyone who would wish to make a challenge.

Anti-gag said...

Dear Cllr John Oddy,

Yes I’m afraid you’re not alone in thinking that Griffin sees the BNP as his own personal piggy bank (I hope I’m not putting words into your mouth there), in fact my own experience supports this view.

Two months ago now I posted a registered letter, to Mr Griffin, detailing a serious complaint against a senior party official, and asking for disciplinary action to be taken against that person for bringing the party into disrepute. I know the letter was received, because it’s been signed for, but over 8 weeks later I still have not even had the courtesy of a reply. Later on (15th Sept 08) I received an offensive email from another party official, using a BNP email account, once again I sent my Griffin an official complaint, but once again I have yet to receive the courtesy of a reply. I have however had two begging letters from the party during that time.

Under Griffin’s leadership many (but not all) of the senior hierarchy of the party are quite simply unsuitable to hold any position of responsibility within the party, and are appointed simply as yes men to support Griffin’s dictatorial leadership.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

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