Sunday, 13 July 2008

AN ANSWER TO CHRIS HILL

Chris I share you disappointment at the expulsions from the party last December which I did not agree with. I supported Colin Auty's right to stand and would have voted for him, knowing he could not possibly win. My vote would have been a protest at things I did not agree with. However I would never do anything to jeapordise the future of the Party.

If I thought he had any chance of winning there is no way I would have voted for him or supported his leadership bid.

Whatever you say about Nick Griffin he is head and shoulders above anybody else and the loss of him as leader would put the Party back years and be a source of gloating by our enemies.

We would all like the Party to gain more votes and in future we will. Any lack of progress now is certainly not the fault fo Nick.

We should stick together and not let personal disagreements stand in our way. We have the right policies and eventually sense will prevail, but all this carping from the sidelines portrays us as disunited which we are not and certainly will not win us votes.
All parties have their personality and doctrinal issues, but the ones which put them to one side and unite are eventually the winners.
So come on----UNITED WE STAND!

27 comments:

Anti-gag said...

I'm sorry but I simply can't agree with your evaluation of Griffin as a good leader, I'm afraid the facts speak for themselves: he's a total disaster. Membership is plummeting, the party is having to send out begging letters on a monthly basis to stave off bankruptcy, and our average vote is well down on 2007 which itself was down on the 2006 figure.

I'm sick and tired of vague promises of 'things will get better'. Under Griffin dictatorship they will not get better, they will only continue to get worse

As for the let's all unite comment at the end of your posting, my answer to that is 'tell that to the following people'.

Sadie Graham
Colin Auty
Matt Single
Bev Jones
Ian Dawson
Kenny Smith
Jim Lewthwaite
Nick Holt
Steve Blake
Neil Craig
Sue Grimsure
Rodger Robertson
Simon Towers
Louise Scott
Steven Thomson
Nicholla Smith
Ton Lindon
etc
etc
etc.
Need I go on?.

Griffin wants a fan club not a serious political party, unless we remove him our party and thereby our nation is lost. It's that simple.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Sir Henry Morgan said...

Chris: when the crunch is upon us, I'll always support Lanky's judgement.

I signed Auty's nomination papers. At the time I told Lanky that even though I had done so, if there was an election I would vote for Griffin.

So why did I sign the nomination papers? Because I think elections stir people up, and we need stirring up (you've no idea how difficult I found it to get help leafleting at the recent by-election. Had the usual crew of regulars and that's it. Pehaps it's not just the electorate that apathy has set in on?).

Others may disagree with me on that, but I believe it, so I acted on it.

Anti-gag said...

I'm sorry Morg but I find your view on the current situation and Griffin's dictatorship totally unfathomable!

Please tell in what way does Griffin's leadership advance our cause?

I really am sick of promises that never come to fruition and, while Griffin is in the pilot's seat, never will. Any political party without a competent middle management team is doomed, Griffin/Collett will destroy any such team before it has a chance to fully develop because both see it as a threat to their positions. Ask yourself do you really want to be part of a party that treats members in the way Cllr Auty was treated.

The BNP needs the Griffin/Collett gang like Custer needed another Indian.

Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Sir Henry Morgan said...

Yes Chris, you're right about the middle management issue. But dumping Griffin wont solve that. The key is to change Griffin's behaviour.

How, I can't say I know, but that's the key.

Anti-gag said...

Sorry to disagree Morg, but the problem is Griffin and the only solution is his removal from his position as a dictator. The insults and veiled threats orchestrated against Colin Auty by the Griffin/Collett gang shows once again that they are unfit for leadership.

If you can think of any benefit Griffin and his cronies bring to the party please let me know what they are. Remembering that Griffin's charisma is worthless, given that the media will never allow us enough air time to make use of it. Restricting Griffin to 90 sec slots on local TV channels means he has no chance to charm the voting public. Now I don't deny that Griffin has charm as of course all good con men do, but that's it, all his other leadership abilities are none existent.

The BNP needs a leader who can organise and delegate, not a dictator.

Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Leigh, Lancashire Nationalist said...

If I can please post the following taken from the Deputy Chairmans blog, this, just to show our friend Mr Hill just how much in 'decline' we are currently feeling!

Would any of you have expected this a few years ago?

"Do you remember the rumpus a few weeks back concerning Lord Patel refusing to meet up with BNP councillors in Stoke? A strange business and one, that with hindsight, Mr Patel will probably think twice about the next time. To put the whole thing into perspective I have just been speaking to Stoke BNP's Alby Walker, who as you will remember was one of the forsaken deemed to be afflicted with political leprosy by His Highness Lord Patel.

Tonight, Alby will be dining with Archbishop Desmond Tutu at a civic reception at Stoke Town Hall. Of course Alby's politics are probably very different to the Archbishop's but in the scheme of things and being a polite man that will not stop him from attending. Tomorrow night Cllr Walker will be a guest at a £2500 a table, charity gala dinner along with Pele, Gordon Banks, other members of the England 1966 squad, Frank McAvennie, Matt Le Tissier, Shane Ward, Jan Molby, Peter Beagrie, John Barnes, Dominic Cork and Bert Trautmann.

Alby tells me he first remembers watching the great Gordon Banks from the terraces when he came to Stoke from Leicester. Like myself he has enormous admiration for Pele, apart from Willie Johnston and George Best, he was without a doubt one of the greatest players ever to walk onto a football pitch.

As if that wasn't enough to highlight the misplaced self-esteem that Lord Patel obviously harbours, Alby will be in London next week for a special meeting with Labour Minister John Healy. Here, as part of a delegation of six, he will discuss the future governance of Stoke-on-Trent.

I think I'll go and make myself a Pot Noodle."

MerlinsTempest said...

Well spoken, Lanky. Great post!

It's great to see you firing on all four cylinders again. Your recent break has obviously done you the world of good. Hopefully your Mrs. has been refreshed too and that her recouperation is coming along well.

I know that your good lady's illness took its toll upon you as well as her, and, that the 'disharmony' that had appeared within the party as we were gaining ground and reaching new heights, had put you under even more strain.

You've very commendably done as best as you can to be more than fair to everyone concerned with the disharmony, and very actively kept the branch going whilst under immense pressure. Besides taking my hat off to you for that, I have to say that I am now elated to see that you have stuck to the words that you said to us at the end of the Extraordinary Inner-Core Members Meeting we had at Sandyforth, to discuss the issue. That is to say, “at the end of the day you would do the best for the party, as the party was ultimately more important than any one person or issue”. Thank you, Lanky. You are a fine English gentleman, nationalist and a great leader.

Does my last statement mean that I am now officially in the 'Lanky' Fan Club as well as Nick Griffin's?

UNITED WE STAND - UNITED WE SHALL WIN!

Lanky Patriot said...

I can understand you frustration at the absence of these good people from the Party Chris, but I don't think constant attacking Nick Griffin is going to help them or the interests of nationalism.
We should be trying to build bridges instead of posting insults.
I think there have been faults on both sides but I believe the majority are genuine patriots.
A solution could still be found I think (hope)behind the scenes with GOODWILL and both sides letting byegones be byegones for the greater good.

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Anti-gag said...

I'm sorry Charles but I simply don't think that Nick Griffin has the interests of anyone but Nick Griffin at heart, and his actions over the last seven months show that only to clearly. Have you forgotten so quickly how he branded Bev Jones as being untrustworthy with party funds (I'll put it no stronger than that), how he accused Kenny & Nicholla Smith of theft, and was prepared to waste £10,000's of party funds to intimidate a pregnant lady and five other good people with legal action.

If you really think Nick Griffin is a suitable leader, speak again to Cllr Auty, or Cllr Robintson, or Cllr Graham or ex-Cllr Lewthwaite, or Cllr Beverley, or anyone of the many many other members who he has denigrated over the past six or seven months. Then again a quick conversation with Bev Jones or Nick Holt may help jog your memory on the events of the last seven months.

You say Griffin a good leader, I'm afraid the facts tell a different tale, he's a total disaster. Membership is plummeting, the party is having to send out begging letters on a monthly basis to stave off bankruptcy, and our average vote is well down on 2007 which itself was down on the 2006 figure. I'm sick and tired of vague promises of 'things will get better'. Under Griffin dictatorship they will not get better, they will only continue to get worse

Griffin wants a fan club not a serious political party, unless we remove him our party and thereby our nation is lost. It's that simple.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

English Patriot said...

Quote Chris Hill:

Sadie Graham
Colin Auty
Matt Single
Bev Jones
Ian Dawson
Kenny Smith
Jim Lewthwaite
Nick Holt
Steve Blake
Neil Craig
Sue Grimsure
Rodger Robertson
Simon Towers
Louise Scott
Steven Thomson
Nicholla Smith
Ton Lindon
etc
etc
etc.
Need I go on?.

go on Mr Hill, we know Colin could not get 100 signatures so 90 odd people out of a membership of 7526 is less than 0.75%, some of those 17 names you quote are already back on board, people like Bev Jones should be hung out to dry, she's misappropriated tens of thousands of pounds of members money & the BNP have not seen a single penny, she's a blatant thief, next time you see Kenny Smith ask to see his chest, his large German eagle clutching the swastika is very impressive, the real Nazis are on the EIE camp & you know it, yourself & your collaborators are power hungry people with only your own agenda, in the not to distant future the people who today make the wrong decisions & chose the wrong side will have plenty of time to reflect on the mistakes they have made before the final curtain falls,

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Anti-gag said...

Dear English patriot,

I don't normally resort to personal insults, but given your disgraceful (and possibly libellous) attack on Bev Jones's character, I feel I'm justified in being more forthright than is my usual style. Firstly even someone as stupid and gullible as you should be able to work out that 90 is over 1% of 7526, but I very much doubt the membership is much above 5 or 6000 these days, and falling fast at that.

As for crowing about Colin's failure to secure the 100 signatures, the party's refusal to give Colin a list of members entitled to nominate him, must be seen as just another manifestation of Griffin's dictatorship. I would say more about your character, but I don't want to abuse the Wigan blog's open comment policy.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Lanky Patriot said...

English Patriot,

I do not believe Bev Jones is a thief, nor that any of the others are Nazis. I'm not interested in tattoos and if certain people have had them done in a moment of madness not realising their permanence they do not necessarily reflect their current views and are thus irrelevant.I think all these innuendoes and accusations are doing the party damage and are reminiscent of a school playground than a modern political party which has aspirations of influence and ultimately power.
Both sides of the divide have been equally guilty of these tactics and my wish is that this sqabbling stops and people bury the hatchet for the sake of the party and country and this was the purpose of my blog.
There must be a way of bringing both sides together.

Anti-gag said...

Dear Charles,

You say that both sides have been equally guilty, could you tell me what Cllr Auty was guilty of?
Yes if wanting to stand in a democratic leadership challenge is a crime in Griffin's BNP then I guess he's guilty of that. For that offence (at least it was an offence in the eyes of the Griffin/Collett gang) and that offence only, he was subjected to ridicule and abuse from Griffin's enforcers. Eddy Butler, Simon Derby, Lee Barnes, etc. all put him throw hell. He was also insulted by other less prominent members at, what was I'm sure, the behest of the main gang members.

When I Spoke to Colin, at the start of June, he was adamant that he wanted to run a clean campaign with no mudslinging. In fact he, like yourself, thought there was right and wrong on both sides. Just 6 weeks later he felt the need to resign not only from his council position, but also from the party he had served faithfully for 2 years. Just one more good person forced out, how much longer can this go on?

If there is right and wrong on both sides then it's certainly not evenly divided by any stretch of the imagination, 99 to 1 would be my best guess and that's being charitable to the Griffin/Collett gang. However I'm still open to reason, so please let me know how Colin's aspirations to stand against Griffin puts him in the wrong.

Lastly can I thank you for still allowing reasoned anti Griffin comments on the Wigan blog, but I wonder just how long it will be before you come under pressure to change even that.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

REDWHITEANDBLUE said...

ANTI-GAG

Your posts are just putting off Wigan People who are exploring the the BNP as a Party to be listened to.

Your self opinion is not helping the cause, please think about your true committment, Searchlight will
be revelling in your opinions.

Better the devil you know !

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Anti-gag said...

Dear RedWhiteandBlue,

“Better the devil you Know”
I think that says it all:

As for searchlight they have no interest what a nobody like me thinks, or any one else for that matter. They have agenda which doesn't include listening to the views of anyone from the indigenous population. Searchlight will just be happy that Griffin is still in charge, that way they know we're going nowhere.

Burying our heads in the sand about the antics of the Griffin/Collett gang, ultimately will not help anyone but the gang themselves.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Lanky Patriot said...

Chris, when I said both sides had been at fault,I meant just that, not that all individuals on each side were at fault. Thus I accept that Colin Auty has done no wrong just as most on the other side have done no wrong. People just have differences of opinion as to the best way forward to our shared objective of a Britain run in the interests of the British.
I accept there have been injustices but these happen in any large organisation and they must not be allowed to deflect us from our aims.
We can however protest but we should do it in a civilised way without the insults.

English Patriot said...

Lanky , have you seen a documentary called Nazi hate rock? watch it, Kenny "Nazi Smith" is on it, watch it, we need to be electable & approachable, we evolved from the NF & we need to put the swastika behind us, have you seen Sadie Graham with her sniper rifle? not a very good image, I can send you a photo, I have your address, Bev Jones, not only has she betrayed on her husband Dave as he can't satisfy her sexual needs but she's a thief, she raised funds via the St George society telling people ( including your members at a Wigan meeting ) & several other meetings throughout the north west she was ( last year ) raising funds for the Euro Elections, I was told she had raised £12,000 pounds by herself, , with the target being £40,000 pounds, the party have not seen a penny, she tells us she never said she was raising it for the BNP, was she rasing it for the Telletubbies? Kenny Smith also forgot to hand over several thousand pounds of money he collected, ( £5000 )after a visit from Falkirk police he gave it to them, luckily this smaller amount was returned to us, you talk about building bridges? I say blow the bridges & sink their ship, time is running out, sitting on the fence or spinning around in circles will achieve nothing, we need to peotect our nation, we need to protect our people, we need to protect our land & restore it to its rightful owners........

Anti-gag said...

Dear Charles,

I Would agree with you that individuals should not be allowed to slow the progress of the party, no mater how much they are wronged, but that is not what is happening here. The individuals who have been expelled, or resigned, are in a large part the reason the party has made any progress in the last few years. Now by saying that I mean in no way to down play the part played by the hard working grass-roots members of our party of which I like to think I'm one. But without an effective middle management structure grass-roots activism is simply ineffective, and it was that much needed middle management level that people like Sadie, Ian, and Kenny were both providing and improving.

Charisma aside, Griffin is a very poor leader and his paranoia over any potential new and more efficient (better) leader rising from the ranks to replace him, is greatly damaging to the party. Griffin has, at least in his own mind, decided that Mark Collett will be his successor when he does step down, and any challenge to that he sees as an attack on his own position, which of course it is.

We simply can't afford to continue to lose the likes of: Cllr Sadie Graham, Ian Dawson, Cllr Rodger Robertson, Bev Jones, Steve Blake, Cllr Colin Auty, Kenny Smith etc, while we keep millstones like Mark Collett and Lee Barnes hanging around our necks. The idea that if we just get on with the fight everything will be all right is, I'm afraid, nonsense. If we are to win back our nation we must first put our own house in order, if we don't do that we'll simply end up falling at the first hurdle every time.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

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Anti-gag said...

Dear English Patriot,

Your comment speaks volumes about the Grifin/Collett gang which, if I'm right in thinking you are DJ from Ellesmere Port, you are a minor member. Your constant insistence that good people, like Bev & Kenny, stole money from the party is the normal way Griffin tries to rubbish his critics. I do however agree that the party needs to disassociate itself (or blow up bridges as you put it) from its less savour members, ie the Griffin/Collett gang.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Lanky Patriot said...

English Patriot, yes I have seen the documentary with Kenny Smith but that was made a long time ago and he was perfectly acceptable to the Party after that. Sadie with a rifle ditto.
I have heard Kenny Smith's explanation of the money matter and believe him until proved otherwise.I have it on video.
Bev Jones's domestic arrangements are none of anyones business and Dave has attended several meetings with Bev to my knowledge since the "split" occurred and indeed has taken Bev's side in this dispute.
I don't believe she stole any money, I've heard allegations but no proof so according to the English practice she is innocent until proved guilty.
People on the other side of the fence have also skeletons which I don't propose to mention and allegations against them which I also do not believe.
With allegations and counter allegations it can be hard to know who to believe so I take people as I find them on both sides.
I still believe we should stick together and stop all this public squabbling and I THINK IT COULD BE DONE, if the protagonists would get off their high horses.
I am not sitting on the fence,I am still working for and supporting the Party albeit disappointed at the way things have turned out.

Anti-gag said...

Can I suggest that's very sexist to criticise Sadie for having been photographed with a target rifle. Can anyone tell me exactly why women shouldn't become interested in shooting, after all it is an Olympic sport. If this is the worse they can throw at Sadie, she can't have gone far wrong can she?

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

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